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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#956904
My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater to work without the fanshroud outlets?

Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?

Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in, I'd consider that.
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OZ Towdster Keen to finish some projects

1,921 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#956916
Harden up Pete , the wind up windows and steel roof have got to be a hole lot warmer than the Buggy ever was .
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#956936
Hi Pete
I believe the simplest way is to use standard heater boxes..
the original early German ones had large heatsinks in them that give off plenty of heat'''
it gets below zero here at times in winter but the heater always works..
I couldn't live without the heater in My beetle..

the early beetles disn't have the hoses from the shroud, they stopped the heat from escaping below the push rod tubes and forced it into the car...

the later system just used fresh air to push the heat thru the heater boxes into the cabin..

You could possibly use ambulance fans [round fans fitted to late Kombis] to suck air from below the push rod tubes to inside the cabin..

cheers

Lee



pete wood wrote:My 56 had a judson equipped 40 without heater hose outlets. It's also missing the heater boxes on the exhaust. Is there a way of getting the heater to work without the fanshroud outlets?

Or do I need heater boxes AND a new fanshroud?

Failing all that, is anyone using a electric fan heater in their bug? I don't want to chop up the car, but if there is a simple way to put one in, I'd consider that.
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#956974
What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#957045
Gracey wrote:What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.
where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?

electric fan??

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#957046
There are petrol heaters, but are exy/collectable.
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bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#957047
El cheapo car seat warmers from china, 12V and $7.90 🙂

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-Universal-Heated-Car-Seat-Cushion-Cover-Seat-Heater-Warmer-Heater-temperatur-/370820608823?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5656a17337

will suit half backs too.
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New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#957048
dunno how good these work (electric 12v heater)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-DC-Universal-Car-Auto-Electric-Portable-Space-Heater-Fan-Defroster-Deicer-/251188204262?pt=US_12_Volt_Portable_Car_Appliances&hash=item3a7bfbd2e6

Maybe aim it at your feet under the dash. Again cheap though.
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta!

vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#957082
get twenty

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#957134
[/quote]

where did the air pressure come from to get air to the front etc?

Lee [/quote]

From the fanshroud aka the fan. It worked really well, I got the idea from an old VW guy who was into buggies, he told me that's how they did it, I didn't think it'd work until I tried it.
The tube for the heater went straight into the airstream of the hot air coming off the cylinders, so between the pushrod tubes and the sled tinware.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#957147
"40W/H under HI Condition"

Oooooh..... that will make you sweat! 🙅
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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#957151
Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold weather..

You would need a very large engine with an even larger alternator to supply enough current to all the electric heaters... lol

although many years ago, while restoring My beetle in the winter in a carport [temp about 4=6C]
I put My wifes hair dryer into the heater duct under the body and it did a great job... but about 2400 watts at 240 volts..
so a 240v hair dryer and an inverter for 3000 watts would help... maybe two of them when driving.. lol

LEE



bajachris88 wrote:dunno how good these work (electric 12v heater)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-DC-Universal-Car-Auto-Electric-Portable-Space-Heater-Fan-Defroster-Deicer-/251188204262?pt=US_12_Volt_Portable_Car_Appliances&hash=item3a7bfbd2e6

Maybe aim it at your feet under the dash. Again cheap though.
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#957153
Gracey wrote:What I did years ago when I had heater boxes on the car but a 36hp fanshroud with no outlets was run some flexible pipe from the heater box inlet to under the cylinders near the pushrod tubes. Worked quite well.

I don't think electric heaters will do it, however you never know.
You said You used the fan ??
but didn;t have heater outlets... on the shroud??
for air pressure...

LEE

PS> gets to 0C or below here at night & early mornings in winter.. so the heater needs to be good..
My car has no thermostat either.. lol
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#957177
Yeah thats right Lee, I mean the fan pushing the air over the cylinders and then into the tube. There's a lot of airflow coming out from the sleds and it's preheated going into the heater box so it probably doesn't need as much flow.

nils Fahrvergnugen

971 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#957242
I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?

Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system
Quit calling rust patina

modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#957402
68AutoBug wrote:Hi Chris
didn't actually look at these, but have never ever seen an electric heater capable of actually heating the interior like a normal VW heater.. in cold weather..
Quite a few small Japanese Kei cars use electric heaters, my favourite for size, availability, etc, is out of the Mazda 121 (bubble) from the '90s.

They work well in Japan, although it only gets to 20 below up there......

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#957448
nils wrote:I've run my oil cooler on the inside before, guess you don't have a full flow oil system then pete?

Always wondered if i could run a hotrod style heater in my oil system
No mate. Well not with this motor anyhow. Would like to in the future though.
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
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