Wide 5 Wheel Nut size??

Lateral Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Sep 2011 · 2 Jun 2013, 1:26 pm

#958212

Hi guys

Lucky I decided to check to make sure that the spare wheel that the car has can actually be fitted to the car!

I was concerned that the tapered wheel bolts that are used to fit the Escra's onto the front disc and rear type 3 drums (they both have spacers fitted) would be too long....well, looks like I was correct as they tapered bolts hit the internals of the rear drum and the disc calipers.

The spare wheel is a standard VW wide 5 wheel and fits nicely in the spare wheel bay.

I have attached a photo of the existing tapered bolt. The length of the thread is 24mm and the diameter is 12mm.

Can somebody tell me the thread length of a "standard" wheel bolt? I assume that they are "radius" bolts as opposed to tapered bolts.

Ideally, I need the length to be long enough to fit with the spaces on or I can cut them down if they are too long.

Thanks
Regards
Greg

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bussboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

138 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 2 Jun 2013, 2:04 pm

#958218

incorrect wheel nut for a standard wide 5 wheel(either beetle or bus) Should be a ball seat, get 5 standard bolts and keep with spare.

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 2 Jun 2013, 8:32 pm

#958269

nah, radius is for Porsche. Early Wide 5 use a 90 degree taper and the one in photo is 60 degree by looks of it.

Bolt should be M12x1.5 pitch and no more than 15mm of thread.

Do note tho that any bolt should exit any plate it is bolted into by at least 1.5 threads for correct torquing of the bolt and it not working loose. Mainly a recommendation for short threaded bolts and not longer ones as more surface area creates more friction to hold bolt in place.

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Lateral Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Sep 2011 · 3 Jun 2013, 6:53 am

#958333

Thanks mate

bussboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

138 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 3 Jun 2013, 7:07 am

#958335

Nope wrong again wide 5 use a ball seat nut not a taper nut. Thread size is right for bug,type3 but bus uses m14 x 1.5. Google ball seat nut and look at images to get an idea.

Lateral Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Sep 2011 · 3 Jun 2013, 7:11 am

#958336

Thanks bussboy.

ancientbugger Custom Title Time!

1,986 posts · joined Mar 2004 · 3 Jun 2013, 9:10 am

#958346

While on the subject where can I buy some (standard,short VW wheelbolts) as I could certainly do with some spares

Lateral Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Sep 2011 · 3 Jun 2013, 4:03 pm

#958386

I just went to Vintage Vee Dub Supplies and got 5.

Regards
Greg

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 3 Jun 2013, 10:11 pm

#958466

bussboy wrote:Nope wrong again wide 5 use a ball seat nut not a taper nut. Thread size is right for bug,type3 but bus uses m14 x 1.5. Google ball seat nut and look at images to get an idea.

Well can't say I looked at em that close but as I've been playing with such things lately they looked tapered to me.

Apologies if i got that wrong.

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benny_acko Officially Full-On Dubber

253 posts · joined Aug 2011 · 17 Jun 2013, 4:58 pm

#960068

On the topic of wheel nuts - what is required for Raiders? I presume that I can't use the standard Wide 5 wheel nuts?

Thanks,

Ben.

1967 VW Beetle Deluxe

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 17 Jun 2013, 6:14 pm

#960079

Depends on the seat in the wheel and the thickness of the wheel mounting area.

Seat dictates the type of bolt n thickness dictates the bolts thread length.

An alloy should these days come with a hardened steel insert where the wheel bolt goes as the flat style wheel bolts aren't widely used these days. Check supplier if not fitted with these tapered steel inserts.

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bussboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

138 posts · joined Dec 2004 · 17 Jun 2013, 7:37 pm

#960094

benny_acko wrote:On the topic of wheel nuts - what is required for Raiders? I presume that I can't use the standard Wide 5 wheel nuts?

Thanks,

Ben.

What on? Bus is 14mm and bug 12mm thread size.