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mkII_baja Seriously Crusin Dubber

120 posts · joined Nov 2011 ·

#929122
Hi Guys,
I was just wondering if there was an ignition system out there to suit the type 1 engine that removes the entire distributor?
I have seen a pic somewhere in the recent past of an engine that had no distributor what so ever, (however I can no longer find it).
I ask this question as I would like to fit a supercharger to my trike engine and thought that it would give me more mounting optuions if the distributor was not there.

Thanks Jade

cesiumfrog Seriously Crusin Dubber

161 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#929165
crank fired ignition
there are a few options out there.
i use ford edis components and Megajolt advance control...works great.

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#929229
if you pop a trigger wheel on the crank and vac takeoff from the manifold then using the megasquirt would be your cheapest fully programmable. Edis would work but advance curve isn't tuneable i think.
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grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 ·

#929295
I saw a system that used the Mondeo coils and a trigger unit,it's great if you like spending time on the side of the road waiting for a towie!👍

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#929335
Another good and even cheaper option is delco 808 ECU and tunerPro software.

you just need to find a Camira ignition module and a reluctor sensor of some sort for a trigger wheel I think? and a 1 bar MAP to get you started.
you will find most of the parts at a wrecker, preferably ones that has camiras and vn-vp holdens.


with all this stuff you might as well go for a full blown EFI system. there is tons of resources on delcohacking.net plus heaps of people to help you along.

I am starting to go with this route myself, can't wait to start tuning.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Imac Commited Dubber

67 posts · joined Dec 2009 ·

#929351
Grumble, I think the Ford EDIS megajolt system you saw was mine, really disappointed in your comment, I have a Mondeo and a Buggy both with EDIS neither have ever missed a beat, 90% of the ignition problems I've had in my life have been due to prehistoric points/dizzy problems. What percentage of modern cars have ignition exclusive failures in relation to the cars we where drive in the 70's & 80's. I switch to crank fired EDIS for three reasons; 1. Because points are so unreliable you actually have to carry spare points and they always seem to fail as the sun is going down has happened to me twice in six months once on the beach and once on the highway on the way back from Stockton dunes. 2. I was having sever detonation issues and if I adjusted the dizzy to stop this I had zero power at the bottom, with the mega jolt set it where ever it needs to be so it has save me the expense of a new engine.(tis turbo) 3. Cost me less that $300 complete, $160 Megajolt (I built mine from the kit cost me $89 plus postage), $80 for the EDIS components including the trigger wheel, $50 to mount tigger wheel and make a bung (W&N)

Imac Commited Dubber

67 posts · joined Dec 2009 ·

#929352
For the sceptics, Auto sportlabs supply the Megajolt, Atomic jaw breaker is the name of the supplier on ebay for the EDIS and W&N engineering Taree did the machining, all else that needs to be done is some very basic wiring and mounts made for the trigger sensor and coil pack mount. Check it out for yourselves and get your head out of the last century. If you think non original is sacrilege, it would take about fifteen minutes to switch back. Didn't earlier beetle have crossply tyres? I don't see many that original.

beachbuggy61 Seriously Crusin Dubber

162 posts · joined Dec 2009 ·

#929367
Have to agree with imac here.

I saw Ian's set up on his buggy and went straight to EDIS with a trigger wheel. Never looked back! Rock solid timing (timing mark looks like a still picture in the glow of the timing light) and completely programmable.

I've now upgraded to a Megasquirt ECU because it does my EFI as well, but by far the best way to get rid of the dizzy IMHO. I'm sure there's other types on the market as well other than the Ford EDIS, you can even buy a full set-up from CB Performance now. But if you want a cheap conversion, it's the G.O.

My two cents...
Baja
1915cc's of raw power 🙅
Turbocharger
Intercooler
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#929441
it's not the points that are the issue but the quality of aftermarket parts. Points did just fine for the 50,000km Ferdinand Porsche had to do thro the Black Forest to prove the Beetle reliability to Hitler.

No different to modern aftermarket parts. Had modern coilpacks fail as much as aftermarket points and condensers.

Whatever you go for just make sure it's new and good quality as ignition parts from a scrappies are a false economy.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

BennVenn Casual Dubber

26 posts · joined Apr 2012 ·

#962320
Hey guys, Check out my build log on my Crankfire Coilpack ignition. Could be the cheapest option out there to get rid of the Distributor.

Fully adjustable timing curve over RPM/Manifold Vacuum/Boost.

http://www.bennvenn.com/Brain.html

-Ben

cesiumfrog Seriously Crusin Dubber

161 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#962334
well done Ben!

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#962346
Imac wrote:Grumble, I think the Ford EDIS megajolt system you saw was mine, really disappointed in your comment, I have a Mondeo and a Buggy both with EDIS neither have ever missed a beat, 90% of the ignition problems I've had in my life have been due to prehistoric points/dizzy problems. What percentage of modern cars have ignition exclusive failures in relation to the cars we where drive in the 70's & 80's. I switch to crank fired EDIS for three reasons; 1. Because points are so unreliable you actually have to carry spare points and they always seem to fail as the sun is going down has happened to me twice in six months once on the beach and once on the highway on the way back from Stockton dunes. 2. I was having sever detonation issues and if I adjusted the dizzy to stop this I had zero power at the bottom, with the mega jolt set it where ever it needs to be so it has save me the expense of a new engine.(tis turbo) 3. Cost me less that $300 complete, $160 Megajolt (I built mine from the kit cost me $89 plus postage), $80 for the EDIS components including the trigger wheel, $50 to mount tigger wheel and make a bung (W&N)
nope mine. killed it in about 6 months. spent 2 hours waiting for a towie.
bulled it out and went back to points it was the compfire eis system.
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grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 ·

#962456
barls wrote:
Imac wrote:Grumble, I think the Ford EDIS megajolt system you saw was mine, really disappointed in your comment, I have a Mondeo and a Buggy both with EDIS neither have ever missed a beat, 90% of the ignition problems I've had in my life have been due to prehistoric points/dizzy problems. What percentage of modern cars have ignition exclusive failures in relation to the cars we where drive in the 70's & 80's. I switch to crank fired EDIS for three reasons; 1. Because points are so unreliable you actually have to carry spare points and they always seem to fail as the sun is going down has happened to me twice in six months once on the beach and once on the highway on the way back from Stockton dunes. 2. I was having sever detonation issues and if I adjusted the dizzy to stop this I had zero power at the bottom, with the mega jolt set it where ever it needs to be so it has save me the expense of a new engine.(tis turbo) 3. Cost me less that $300 complete, $160 Megajolt (I built mine from the kit cost me $89 plus postage), $80 for the EDIS components including the trigger wheel, $50 to mount tigger wheel and make a bung (W&N)
nope mine. killed it in about 6 months. spent 2 hours waiting for a towie.
bulled it out and went back to points it was the compfire eis system.
I was not pointing at your unit and to be honest I don't know if I have ever seen it. When I had my workshop that was a big problem with the Mondeo's and based on this experience I was disappointed when barls had one fitted which promptly shat itself after a very short time, losing one cylinder or two intermittently and then as he said left him sitting on the side of the road. An expensive mistake as far as I am concerned.