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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964345
Was driving today and my engine has developed a high pitched squeak.
I will say squeak not squeal as it is short sharp rev based noise.
It "seems" to be coming from underneath on 3/4 side.

I will say seem as I have just come back from a site inspection in good clothes and ain't going climbing under cars just yet.

Drives fine and no loss of power.

Any idea before I get home?

Barry
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shokwave2 Officially Full-On Dubber

289 posts · joined Mar 2010 ·

#964349
Loose tinware, check the cylinder air deflectors above the pushrod tubes. Could have popped out at one end. Look for loose screws, rubbing metal.

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#964353
could be an intake leak if its an ocasional chirp, possibly alternator if it changes with revs
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grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 ·

#964355
Don't be a wimp Baz,play with danger, climb under and have a look ignore the grime. Someone else will do the washing. 🤪🤪
Bizarre wrote:Was driving today and my engine has developed a high pitched squeak.
I will say squeak not squeal as it is short sharp rev based noise.
It "seems" to be coming from underneath on 3/4 side.

I will say seem as I have just come back from a site inspection in good clothes and ain't going climbing under cars just yet.

Drives fine and no loss of power.

Any idea before I get home?

Barry

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#964363
Doubt it would be a dented pushrod tube making noise from a push rod rubbing as your tin should protect the push rods from any rocks and debris, but wouldn't hurt to put that thought out there.
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964374
grumble wrote:Don't be a wimp Baz,play with danger, climb under and have a look ignore the grime. Someone else will do the washing. 🤪🤪
Les,

I'm in the sh!t at the moment there.
Lea scored a free 3 week holiday in Rio playing nurse for 300 World Youth Day peoples saying hello to the pope

Its turned into a tour of Sth American hospitals for her with everything from altitude sickness to rabies 😂

Her car has headlight troubles, Lachlans car has water pump troubles and now my beetle.

Its beem a month since I have driven the GTI 😠

Hoping I've nailed the problem
Reckon its a blown manifold gasket.
it "squeaks" when you turn the motor by hand on 3/4 side
Noise goes away as you put your foot in it

See it I have the sh1ts tomorrow round midday 🤪
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grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 ·

#964380
Bizarre wrote:
grumble wrote:Don't be a wimp Baz,play with danger, climb under and have a look ignore the grime. Someone else will do the washing. 🤪🤪
Les,

I'm in the sh!t at the moment there.
Lea scored a free 3 week holiday in Rio playing nurse for 300 World Youth Day peoples saying hello to the pope

Its turned into a tour of Sth American hospitals for her with everything from altitude sickness to rabies 😂

Her car has headlight troubles, Lachlans car has water pump troubles and now my beetle.

Its beem a month since I have driven the GTI 😠

Hoping I've nailed the problem
Reckon its a blown manifold gasket.
it "squeaks" when you turn the motor by hand on 3/4 side
Noise goes away as you put your foot in it

See it I have the sh1ts tomorrow round midday 🤪
Hi Baz,gees mate and I thought I had problems. Sorry to hear that Lea is having a crap time and you are struggling with the other problems. If it is a manifold gasket (inlet) usually you lose a cylinder but it may be just a loose manifold. You are running webers aren't you?I had a problem with Dion's where the gaskets were crap and the bolts were too long leaving the manifold loose when it all settled, but again it shouldn't make a noise when turning by hand. Good luck tomorrow and I hope the problem is just a minor screw fell out of the fan housing. Cheers Les

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964386
Bizarre wrote:Was driving today and my engine has developed a high pitched squeak.
I will say squeak not squeal as it is short sharp rev based noise.
It "seems" to be coming from underneath on 3/4 side.

I will say seem as I have just come back from a site inspection in good clothes and ain't going climbing under cars just yet.

Drives fine and no loss of power.

Any idea before I get home?

Barry
If Your engine is going fine then its probably just a loose piece of tinware..
as VW engines don't like leaks however small they are...

not alternator/generator fan touching the tinware??
or front pulley touching??

best of luck

LEE
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#964388
I seem to recall having a similar problem and it was the incorrect base gaskets on the Dells.
If they are loose this can occur too.
Make sure that the carbs and manifolds are tight,
and also for lose tinware, as suggested above.
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1,005 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·

#964393
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964394
mactaylor wrote:vvds
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964398
delaminated mainifold gasket

All good 👍

thanks for all the tips

😁
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#964411
Thought it would be

You use the standard metal gaskets?

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964420
No. It was a paper one

I have put a metal one on with hi temp silicon gasket goo
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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964473
Out of interest, what gaskets do others use??

I was told originally to stay away from the metal ones.
Now I have been told to stay away from the paper ones.
As said, I am now using metal with a hi temp gasket goo stuff.

Still, the problem was my fault.
I have had so much trouble over the years running Dells and living outside 24/7, I have had to pull the carbs all the time to get the crap out.
Having the paper ones there, I just pulled and replaced the manifolds. The gaskets looked fine.

I have fixed the water problem now with a rear louvre thing for the engine lid and some turbo tops for the carbs.
Been through some horrible down pours lately and no more problems.

So hopefully, after many years, I am fine
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Lucky Phil Wolfsburg Wizard

480 posts · joined Aug 2010 ·

#964494
Yes, I have had the same confusing responses to the paper/metal gasket question.
Each camp believes the other one wrong.

And there is the question of sealant too.
Some say do not use sealant at all, some say it's a must.

Blowed if I know!

Either way, I think the most important thing before fitting manifolds is making sure the gasket surface is true.
Tape some wet and dry paper (400 grit or so will do) to a flat sheet of glass.
Mix a solution of kero and oil and put some on the paper.
Rub the gasket surface in a figure 8 until you see a consistent finish.

Phil.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964797
Hi Barry

I'm getting my sons car ready to drive to Sawtell and it was occasionally idling high.

I found the gaskets under the manifolds had broken up.

The ones I had used had two massive holes in them for a locating dowel that VW did away with years ago, got some good ones from VVDS.

Steve

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964802
VVDS sold my sold the steel ones

Whatever - going better than ever now 👍
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964803
not keen on steel ones

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#964833
Be careful with gasket goo, make sure its fuel stable.

Selleys gasket marker dissolves when exposed to fuel vapour. I 'made do' with a good glob on some stock DP manifold boot cracks, within a week the vac leak was back, and the goo just dissolved/melted off from the fuel. The instructions don't say its fuel stable or not, but that one in particular wasn't.
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#964845
I use metal gaskets with good quality goo (Wurth flange sealant orange or Loctite Master Gasket flange sealant 515) ON STANDARD manifolds , the thick grafite paper gaskets with no goo on mild ported heads and no gasket just the goo on performance applications. I've been using sealant only for about 3 years with no issues, even where the sealing area is down to 2-3mm.
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#964849
Hi

These gaskets have been on for the heads for a long time. The good thing about not using goo was that once removed the surface on the head was clean. I would rather change a gasket every few years.

Steve

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#964869
I agree Steve, with a paper gasket the cleaning is an issue, but goo only (and using the right products) the head and manifold are easy to clean and reseal if removed for maintenance.
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