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simohagz Casual Dubber

38 posts · joined Mar 2013 ·

#966269
Guys,

Thinking about upgrading my 1969 road car so it can handle a bit of mixed terrain (dirt road/rough surface). Thinking of adding a sump guard of some sort. Also interested to know what size/width of tyres I can fit on stock rims with a stock front beam. Having trouble identifying any “all-terrain” tyres..

Lastly is tow points. I have found a towing bar for the front end, appears to bolt direct to beam and has a towball receptacle attached. Haven’t found a suitable rear towbar as yet though…Any ideas?

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#966270
Will there be any raising involved?

Sump skid plates usually bolt onto the underside of the rear bull bar frame that wraps around underneith for a buggy/baja. I guess being a stock sedan, if you can get a rear tow bar kit that goes to the rear torsion arms you can plate the underside, from back and extending all the way to the gearbox. Just be sure to cut out some holes for easy oil change.

What rims you are running? AT's (all terrains) for 14 inch rims are getting very scarce, 15 inch is easier.
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#966278
Google class 11 off-road
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#966293
beetles have about 260cm ground clearance from the sill off the road any way.
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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#966304
Just get a genuine VW Australia Hayman Reese towbar to use as a sump guard.

Get some 1950s rear torsion bars and spring plates for more lift.

Get some BF Goodrich all terrain tyres and suitable wheels.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

simohagz Casual Dubber

38 posts · joined Mar 2013 ·

#966306
Thanks for the reply's guys.

I dont really want to lift the car if it can be avoided. The "off-road" will mostly consist of dirt track, not rock hopping!

It seems really hard to get all terrain style tyres in sizes that will fit into the stock guards at stock height without rubbing.

So far I have turned up Nankang FT-7's in 175/80/R15 which is pretty damn close to orginal spec (165/80/r15)...

With the towbar, its isnt shown on the hayment reese website, I will give them a call!

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#966308
simohagz wrote:With the towbar, its isnt shown on the hayment reese website, I will give them a call!
Probably not been available for many years. I just sold one a few weeks ago.

Try getting some 14" wheels.

Where are you?
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

simohagz Casual Dubber

38 posts · joined Mar 2013 ·

#966310
Ah ok...might have to hang out and find a preloved one..

I am northern beaches sydney.

What advantage will the 14" rims give over 15's? Are there more sizes availiable in 14" for all terrain?

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#966313
I have a VW towbar that mounts to the bumper, goes under the motor and then bolts to the torsion tube housing thats good for protection. Let me know if that interests you and I can send you a pic and price.


helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#966357
Power would be great to have on dirt roads. Steering with the accelerator so to speak.

How does a Beetle with good power drive on dirt roads compared to say an EH Holden?

The old Holdens have very light rear end easy oversteer on dirt, but easy to steer sideways with countersteering. I learnt to turn left to go right etc. as a youngin' in an EH Holden. Does a Beetle control as easily with the heavy rear, light front.
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Aussie Dubbin Fahrvergnugen

895 posts · joined Jul 2008 ·

#966358
Look at Bridgestone winter dueller tyres. I don't think you can buy then in aus. Saw them tall and skinny on a trailer and looked like a great off road tyre for a bug. Looked like t was 15" maybe 175 or185
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#966366
Here are some pictures of my tow bar - it does protect the engine a lot.

Here is the tow bar:






And here it is on the car:










Or for a clearer look at how it mounts:


and this is how you use it off road:


Many years ago, I had a steel skid plate made up that went from the front of the transaxle to the back of the engine, then had the tow bar welded to the back of that, making it all one piece. It worked great, but was as heavy as anything.
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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#966371
simohagz wrote:Ah ok...might have to hang out and find a preloved one..
Ask around some of the VW mechanics. VVDS etc. They often have some laying around.

What advantage will the 14" rims give over 15's? Are there more sizes availiable in 14" for all terrain?
Yes, and they will fit under the guards.

Ask around some of the people who used to rally Beetles as they may have some bits left over.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

simohagz Casual Dubber

38 posts · joined Mar 2013 ·

#966379
Thanks for the responses guys.

Really appreciate it.

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#966388
helbus wrote:Power would be great to have on dirt roads. Steering with the accelerator so to speak.

How does a Beetle with good power drive on dirt roads compared to say an EH Holden?

The old Holdens have very light rear end easy oversteer on dirt, but easy to steer sideways with countersteering. I learnt to turn left to go right etc. as a youngin' in an EH Holden. Does a Beetle control as easily with the heavy rear, light front.
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Smiley Veteran Volks Folk

2,125 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#966411
I would recommend sticking with 15" rims. Tyres for 14"s are just getting too hard to get.


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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#966414
Smiley wrote:I would recommend sticking with 15" rims. Tyres for 14"s are just getting too hard to get.


Smiley 🙂
It is hard to get tyres in 15" that will fit under the guards.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

Smiley Veteran Volks Folk

2,125 posts · joined Oct 2008 ·

#966463
AA003 wrote:
Smiley wrote:I would recommend sticking with 15" rims. Tyres for 14"s are just getting too hard to get.


Smiley 🙂
It is hard to get tyres in 15" that will fit under the guards.
Would probably be easiest if the OP lifted and Baja'ed the car 🤘



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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#966477
If your after a tow bar and are prepared to manufacture your own then there is a bit of info that may be of help here,

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=83482&page=2

by plating the bottom of the bar it would give the engine some protection. I should point out that I did 3 months towing a trailer (15,000 km) without once taking the trailer off the car, when I got home I checked the bar with a straight edge and was unable to measure any deflection from when I built it.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#966916
Simohagz, I have a towbar for you....shoot me your email address and I can send pics 👍


AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#966922
These are also helpful

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#967106
185R14C LT tyres work well as rally-pattern tyres after the side tread blocks have been opened up a bit, makes a really good gravel tyre.
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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#967114
the old transaxel straps are great of you want plenty of noise, try one of these

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