Time to re-visit all our rules - Buying and Selling

vanderaj · 2013-11-30T13:21:01+00:00

Hi there, I wish to re-visit all our rules. The first set of rules I wish to re-visit is the Buying and Selling rules. We will continue to work through the rules every couple of months until they're all had a proper airing and updating. It's been a very long time since we have had a think about how we run this place, and I want to make sure that the members of 2013 have a chance to be governed by rules we all agree on. Please reply with discussion here, and we'll set up a poll with the options once we've had the discussion. If you know folks who have left the forum because of these issues, invite them back so they can put their side as well. Buying and selling rules I set these rules a LONG time ago, before the changes to the federal Trade Practices Act and associated state Fair Trading Acts (or Sale of Goods act) changed. For example, the TPA no longer exists. I am not a lawyer. I do not know if we continue to need the rules we have in place, and it's been so long since we re-visited them, that it's embarrassing. I would like it if we could continue to indicate where the car is and the price you'd like to get as I feel that has for the most part worked well, but I totally agree with some that it's overly bureaucratic. I'd like to hear from you, our membership, particularly those who buy and sell cars and parts on how best to make these highly contentious forums work. I know that there will be competing ideas, and although I want consensus, let's discuss openly and honestly, and then put the various options to a vote. What would you like to see changed? How can we improve the buying and selling experience here? Do you still want want a buying and selling forum in its current form? Would it be better to provide a single forum that allows folks to post links to eBay, CarSales, etc, so that we're not in any way involved in the sale? This would require fewer if any rules. Do you use search to find cars or parts? If so, if it goes away or becomes less useful, would that mean less time for you at AVDS? Do you think we need to protect buyers? Sellers? Are we harming or protecting them by insisting on providing the information we demand today? As all sponsor advertising banners are going away on January 1st*, do you feel that you want to have a place for local businesses to post commercial ads in a forum? Or not? Anything else I've missed? What I'll be doing I'll look at the themes of questions arising out of this discussion and put it to a vote in a couple of weeks. At that point, we will vote on it until Dec 31. The changes will come into effect on January 1. In the meantime, there will be no more thread deletion or other moderation activities until the new rules come into effect on January 1. Please don't abuse this period. thanks, Andrew p.s. Our old PHP based banner ads are going away in favour of just Google Ads at the top. If you want to advertise here via Google Adsense, I'll let you know a keyword that will find us most of the time.

vanderaj Administrator a suffusion of yellow

3,130 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 19 Dec 2013, 10:24 am

#978151

Fossil,

AVD was initially created by Jim and Brad at Ezyboard. Once Ezyboard had done us over with stupid ads and other restrictions, I offered to help. I installed XMB at my then Pair hosting account, and have run the forum ever since at various hosters continuously since 2002. I have backups dating back to 2006, and helped build the forum software that runs this site.

Jim is still a super admin here, but for whatever reason doesn't pop in regularly, and I haven't seen Brad around for a long time.

I like to maintain good relations with all the other VW forums and all the clubs as we are a small niche in Australia. We all love Volkswagens. All the merrier is my view. And realistically, this thread is not about any other forum, I want this place to be a fun destination for you all. And that means from time to time we re-evaluate our rules / codes of conduct, and make sure we're still doing great things.

thanks
Andrew

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 19 Dec 2013, 1:26 pm

#978167

Personally I think we currently have the right amount of detail required in most cases, I believe in the case of off site sales it should be more than just a pasted link, a description and some contact detail would greatly help as how hard is it to cut and paste them from the other website you have it on.

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MISS VDUB Administrator Mrs KOMBIBOB

2,565 posts · joined Sep 2005 · 19 Dec 2013, 2:36 pm

#978172

Barls, people post links to things they find on eBay that others may be interested in, it's not necessarily people selling their own stuff on eBay and posting the link.
What difference does it make if the details are in the link, rather than doubling up the information on the thread created. It's someone elses details and contact number you are pasting, not your own, those interested will click on it and open the link up.

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kombibob AKA: Volkswagen Type 2 Transporter Van Robert

1,698 posts · joined May 2004 · 19 Dec 2013, 2:43 pm

#978173

Seriously! why is having a ebay and other sites section a bad idea and how does it hurt anyone?
Just about every other car forum in the whole Flying Duck / pharked ing world has it.

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barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 19 Dec 2013, 2:50 pm

#978175

Ash what I was think was more like this from the home brewing forum I'm on
http://aussiehomebrewer.com/topic/67524-ebay-v5/?view=findpost&p=1103313&hl=ebay

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kombibob AKA: Volkswagen Type 2 Transporter Van Robert

1,698 posts · joined May 2004 · 19 Dec 2013, 3:04 pm

#978176

Or like this from the VW watercooled forum.
Whats on Ebay or (Gumtree or??)
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f68/

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MISS VDUB Administrator Mrs KOMBIBOB

2,565 posts · joined Sep 2005 · 20 Dec 2013, 9:26 am

#978245

Or as found on DSK, TWO seperate sections for Australian and Non Australian Auction and Sale sites....

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1,005 posts · joined Aug 2007 · 30 Dec 2013, 7:46 pm

#979119

i had a post awhile ago about semi auto stuff that i was quite happy to give to people who wanted or needed them but i wasnt gunna spend my time to advertise every last piece and it got removed, sometimes rules should have exceptions! maybe it was my fault that i didnt explain it properly, however isnt it "buyer beware"

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 30 Dec 2013, 8:36 pm

#979129

I dont think we should compare to melburg luft or dsk

Not every one can go one those forums and have a look

They are effectively private forums where as AVD is fully public

We get quite a few drop ins here and their first and only post is a for sale and they do not list anything that is "required"

I like the fact that AVD is open and free.

I dont think it hurts to abide by our rules for the benefits offered

We have put up a poll on this topis - PLEASE vote and majority wins

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Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 31 Dec 2013, 2:42 am

#979144

Hi Andrew,
I'm not to fussed on the selling options, so Poll 1)A, Poll 2)A, Poll 3)B is fine.
With poll 2, relaxing this will aid people doing a "shed clear out", some stuff is not worth putting a price on, and can change hands for free, let fellow members get first access to that rather than the local tip.

You did however mention about business and advertising. I think it would be great to have a section to list businesses, and a little detail about them,
(Location, new or used parts, services they offer and what era they cover etc). Oh, and best way to contact them!!!
Perhaps managed by MODS but AVD members can ask to have a business they have delt with listed.

Keep up the great work

waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Dec 2013, 8:51 am

#979164

Bizarre wrote:We have put up a poll on this topis - PLEASE vote and majority wins

Sounds simple enough!

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type64 Casual Dubber

41 posts · joined Oct 2010 · 3 Jan 2014, 7:43 am

#979446

Hi Andrew I think all adds with expression of interest and offers should not be allowed ALL adds must contain a price , it saves everybody wasting time making the same enquiries and save the sellers time also its pretty simple if you want to sell something you must know how much you want for it ! Links to other sites with members stuff for sale are ok again it just saves you time and we all want top dollar for our crap so sometimes its better to have a wider audience especially when selling rare or hard to get crap.

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 3 Jan 2014, 9:06 pm

#979492

As Barry said have your vote in the polls to make it count

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PHAT BUG Dave says Bini's a fool

1,698 posts · joined May 2003 · 11 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

#983026

Thanks Ash 😉
I like this forum, but for my own reasons love others.

I think your all doing a wonderful job.
And I'll continue to keep coming here.

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1,698 posts · joined May 2003 · 11 Feb 2014, 1:35 pm

#983029

Fossil wrote:Melburg Luft - well you can't join them unless you have something positive to contribute WTF (oh that is why the F in case you can't work it out) so up themselves you have to be referred by a member of what ever worth so such a closed shop it really is embarrassing to VW lovers. An extremely poor example to post.

I'm confused?
Should we be embarrassed? Or you?

No one is forcing Melburg LUFT down anyone's throat?
We accept new members regularly. We are one of the most active forums and pro-active groups in the VW community. Does AVD, DSK, or KC have regular monthly meets, that are attended in mass?
Every forum has their place in the Aussie VW community, and I'd like to think I'm an active member of them all.

The LUFT is my forum of choice and the one that inspires and motivates me the most, that is nothing for me to feel embarrassed about!

Why are we having to constantly defend ourselves? I'm sorry you don't like us but that's really not our problem. The members of the LUFT are obviously happy to be there?
You, sir, should be embarrassed for being so judgmental about something you clearly know nothing about.

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7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 11 Feb 2014, 10:36 pm

#983106

yawn.. getting old..
we all love the dub, if you don't why are you here? or there or who cares..
save the children and cut your toe nails..
move on and get out in your dub 😉

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1,698 posts · joined May 2003 · 14 Feb 2014, 5:43 am

#983327

Couldn't agree more Pauly.