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pfillery Insano Dub Head

734 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·

#979815
I was under the impression that all bays after about 73 had the inside engine hatch for top access to the motor area? Once the type 4 motors came in. Have come across a 75 with no hatch cutout - did they make 2 variations of the body for the different engines? I thought they would be all the same.

Would it be hard to retrofit a hatch?

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#979816
Only type 4 engines got the hatch, those delivered with a 1600 had no hatch
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Governor Wolfsburg Wizard

414 posts · joined Nov 2008 ·

#979828
The new Mod has the correct answer, as he should being a Mod.

pfillery Insano Dub Head

734 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·

#979867
So it probably still has its original 1600. I haven't seen too many later model vans with 1600s fitted.

Not exactly stock with dual Kadron carbs but should do the trick.

Does the hatch provide any benefits for a 1600 or is it superfluous?

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#979883
What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
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pfillery Insano Dub Head

734 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·

#979886
Bizarre wrote:What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
Thats why I was curious since I thought they all came with type 4 motors after a certain date (73ish?) but according to the samba resources they offered a 1600 type 1 motor right up to mid 1979. Mine is a 75 and still has the 1600 TP fitted and no hatch, so never been upgraded.

You learn something every day I guess. Probably puts out a little more than 50hp with dual kads and a sports system (compared to 62-70 for the 1700 to 2 litre).

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#979897
Does it have the type 4 engine bay shape?
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#979898
Governor wrote:The new Mod has the correct answer, as he should being a Mod.
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Bizarre wrote:What late bays were sold with type 1 motors?
They also came out with 1200's, just not here.....not sure when the 1600 was stopped here, my guess around '75
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#979901
Bizarre wrote:Does it have the type 4 engine bay shape?
Yes, the perimeter tinware fills up the gap. It's about an acre in size 😉
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modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#979904
pfillery wrote:I was under the impression that all bays after about 73 had the inside engine hatch ...
Just for the sake of completeness, Single and Double Cab Bays also do not have the inside hatch.

hth
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#979908
modulus wrote:Just for the sake of completeness, Single and Double Cab Bays also do not have the inside hatch.

hth
I always hated working on them for that reason

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#979940
1600's were still common in Europe until the end of production. I believe the army here ordered van's with 1600 in the mid 70's. so there were a number of 1600 fitted late bay's in Oz.
Yes there was tinware available to allow a 1600 (upright) motor fit the type 4 motor profile in the engine bay.

I have heard (but never seen or confirmed myself) T3's (T25's/Vanagon's) were available with a 1600 also in the early air cooled models. That being said I do not think there is room to do this?

Scottkombi Officially Full-On Dubber

358 posts · joined Dec 2008 ·

#979959
Very interesting read Steve.

I have noted the 1600 is mentioned in quite a few parts suppliers for T25's including Just Kampers and I figured it was an error as what is basically a type 1 1600 engine was meant to lug around a massively heavy T25?

It must have been a very low cost poverty pack option.
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#979991
Its a strange one, you wonder about all the development cost involved in producing such an underpowered motor but some ideas carried over into the Wasserboxer motor.

Case might be good to build an upright hotty?

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#979996
Australian T2s had the 1600 until 1975. DC and SC did not get the 1700 or 1800.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#980024
Thanks for the link Steve, great reading.
It's not unusual for VW, I have an early 411, it has a type 4 motor with magnesuim case which also was 1 year only, it was re-designed for the following year and not interchangable!

Low compression motors were often for markets that had poor or unreliable fuel soruces

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#980065
Andy wrote:Low compression motors were often for markets that had poor or unreliable fuel soruces
Australia.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂