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L7back Slammed & Awesome Dubber

89 posts · joined Aug 2011 ·

#972876
This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.
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nils Fahrvergnugen

971 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#972924
But they are still not legal out of the box. will still come down to the discretion of the engineer.

This question comes up every month. either spend time and money with an engineer or run the gauntlet. but there are no bolt on legal ( with paperwork) brakes
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nils Fahrvergnugen

971 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·

#972926
That I did not know😊

would have bought some😢
bummer
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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#972951
With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#972965
Birchall was having senior moment, he meant Vintage Vee Dub Supplies in Campsie

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#972966
btw that airkewld kit uses Willwood callipers, I don't think they would be legal for road use in Australia, as I understand it the callipers must be OEM.

I was even told not to use a Willwood calliper as a handbrake calliper on a previous car by an RTA engineer.

Governor Wolfsburg Wizard

414 posts · joined Nov 2008 ·

#972968
If money is no object may I suggest 356 drums, they are not discs but they would be a lot better than stock and bolt straight on and correct me if I am wrong, I would imagine they might not need engineering? Dont quote me on that.
As I dont know your states regs.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#973020
vwo60 wrote:With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.
I think the 12mm plate is a good idea, but I note that a lot of OEM used bake bean can brackets as well, mostly on the rear. Most I have seen are around 4-6mm thick, pressed steel bracket.

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cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#973031
Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits

Fabo

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#973040
cnfabo wrote:Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits

Fabo
yes they are probably one of the best if not the best.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#973057
L7back wrote:This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.
What stud pattern do you want to use ?


L7back Slammed & Awesome Dubber

89 posts · joined Aug 2011 ·

#973070
5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.

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1,593 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#973111
L7back wrote:5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.

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I have a set of front disc brakes from VVDS for sale. Been used for 1000km. Selling for $600 plus shipping. These are 5x205 PCD.
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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 ·

#973178
I cannot work out why airkewld brake are so expensive, do not even have a vented rotor for that price, with a perforance brake set up you should expect them to have vented rotors

hus22l Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Apr 2012 ·

#993547
Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin beam?

I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.

Governor Wolfsburg Wizard

414 posts · joined Nov 2008 ·

#993549
hus22l wrote:Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin beam?

I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.
If by safe you mean legal ! Then you would have as many problems with getting your "narrowed beam" engineered!!

hus22l Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Apr 2012 ·

#993550
No, by safe I mean stop better than stock, so when I put a high powered engine, (most likely unengineered too) the car will stop.

This is not the "illegal items thread". Maybe you could turn your focus there Governor.

Anyway, It also has drop spindles too which I forgot to mention.

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#993551
actually the op asked the question on which ones are legal out of the box so it actually is that thread.
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hus22l Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Apr 2012 ·

#993553
Ok, yes but the thread has moved on from there as that has been addressed. Should I start a new thread ? I'm just trying to keep related issues together. Let me know Barls