Hi Paul from Hobart anybody no the numbers for the front wheel bearings
for a country buggy
Cheers Paul
waratah33 Learner Dubber
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ko53
Country buggy front wheel bearings
ztnoo Insano Dub Head
730 posts · joined Aug 2007 ·
Well, I was thinking maybe somebody like ArtyP, BUGBOY, 11cab, Tony Beven (bevoracing), or well..... any of you Aussies would hop in here to answer the question.
However, since I have a very treasured copy of the CB parts list packet compliments of the guru of CBs, the late Mr. Bill Moore (* see notation below for pics and history), I'm going to take the liberty to attempt to answer this very specific technical question.
Since I only have Bill's beloved CB bible in front of me, and no practical knowledge of the subjuct matter, here's what I've deciphered.
From MAIN GROUP 4 - Front Axle, Steering
page 400-3
item # 44: 211 405 625 Taper Roller Bearing 45 mm - Front Wheel (Inner), Qty 2
item # 46: 211 405 645 Taper Roller Bearing 45 mm - Front Wheel (Outer), Qty 2
Regards to all from steamy, sub-tropical Indiana in mid-June (great corn and soy bean growing conditions, btw).
Great to see the recent uptick in forum activity........Bill would love it and be right in the middle of all the conversations.
👍
Regards,
Steve
* http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=107729&page=1#pid1004203
However, since I have a very treasured copy of the CB parts list packet compliments of the guru of CBs, the late Mr. Bill Moore (* see notation below for pics and history), I'm going to take the liberty to attempt to answer this very specific technical question.
Since I only have Bill's beloved CB bible in front of me, and no practical knowledge of the subjuct matter, here's what I've deciphered.
From MAIN GROUP 4 - Front Axle, Steering
page 400-3
item # 44: 211 405 625 Taper Roller Bearing 45 mm - Front Wheel (Inner), Qty 2
item # 46: 211 405 645 Taper Roller Bearing 45 mm - Front Wheel (Outer), Qty 2
Regards to all from steamy, sub-tropical Indiana in mid-June (great corn and soy bean growing conditions, btw).
Great to see the recent uptick in forum activity........Bill would love it and be right in the middle of all the conversations.
👍
Regards,
Steve
* http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=107729&page=1#pid1004203
Fine tuning the proper daily ratio of Maxwell House to Bacardi 151.........
* Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia !
11CAB If ya got it....Baja it
4,674 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
211 in those part numbers designates "Kombi" and doing a quick search shows those wheel bearings suit kombi's from 64-79. Country Buggies use Kombi brake drums so I'd say they'd be the correct ones
65 Meyers Manx
68 Country Buggy (KO 367)
68 Country Buggy (KO 669)
68 Country Buggy (KO 789)
68 Country Buggy (KO 815)
68 Baja Bug
76 Baja Kombi Twincab
68 Country Buggy (KO 367)
68 Country Buggy (KO 669)
68 Country Buggy (KO 789)
68 Country Buggy (KO 815)
68 Baja Bug
76 Baja Kombi Twincab
bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber
327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Quite correct.
The bearings and seals are 64 to 67 Type 2 (Bearings went on to the end of T2)
Bearings:-
Inner bearing 1 1/4" 31.75mm x 1 21/64" 59.131mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Outer bearing 3/4" 19.05mm x 1 25/32" 45.237mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Seals 211 455 641B 45 x 65 x 8mm, T2 64 to 67.
All of these are available at any bearing supplier.
The bearings are the most common in the world, Chev / Holden / Harley etc front wheel, ¾ ton trailer axles. That’s why Commodore discs fit straight on Type 2 and Country Buggy stubs, although they widen the wheel track somewhat. At least the spares you carry for your caravan will fit the T2 you’re towing it with.
Can you imagine the conversation in the VW board room in 1963 when they were debating the idea of going with “IMPERIAL” bearings in the new T2 front end. A German company using imperial measurement components, sacrilege. That I would have paid to see.
Don’t forget the golden rule of bearings, “NEVER Chinese”, so don’t buy some very cheap trailer kit.
Cheers
Tony
The bearings and seals are 64 to 67 Type 2 (Bearings went on to the end of T2)
Bearings:-
Inner bearing 1 1/4" 31.75mm x 1 21/64" 59.131mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Outer bearing 3/4" 19.05mm x 1 25/32" 45.237mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Seals 211 455 641B 45 x 65 x 8mm, T2 64 to 67.
All of these are available at any bearing supplier.
The bearings are the most common in the world, Chev / Holden / Harley etc front wheel, ¾ ton trailer axles. That’s why Commodore discs fit straight on Type 2 and Country Buggy stubs, although they widen the wheel track somewhat. At least the spares you carry for your caravan will fit the T2 you’re towing it with.
Can you imagine the conversation in the VW board room in 1963 when they were debating the idea of going with “IMPERIAL” bearings in the new T2 front end. A German company using imperial measurement components, sacrilege. That I would have paid to see.
Don’t forget the golden rule of bearings, “NEVER Chinese”, so don’t buy some very cheap trailer kit.
Cheers
Tony
Country Buggy King & Link Pin Overhauls, Type 1 & 2 King Pins, General Machining.
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
Tony you have the inner and outer sizes listed as being different,but the LM numbers are the same???
bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber
327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Hi Gary
That’s what I need, a proof reader.
Sorry all, my mistake, it should read:-
Inner bearing 1 1/4" 31.75mm x 1 21/64" 59.131mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Outer bearing 3/4" 19.05mm x 1 25/32" 45.237mm, Inner half has LM67048 on it, Outer LM67010
Seals 211 455 641B 45 x 65 x 8mm, T2 64 to 67.
Cheers
Tony
That’s what I need, a proof reader.
Sorry all, my mistake, it should read:-
Inner bearing 1 1/4" 31.75mm x 1 21/64" 59.131mm, Inner half has LM11949 on it, Outer LM11910
Outer bearing 3/4" 19.05mm x 1 25/32" 45.237mm, Inner half has LM67048 on it, Outer LM67010
Seals 211 455 641B 45 x 65 x 8mm, T2 64 to 67.
Cheers
Tony
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
Thanks Tony, I can now go to Rod Moore and get a set ready to do up my CB front end. Interesting about the Holden rotors fitting straight on.Can get a new undrilled pair and do any stud pattern. Do you use the Holden caliper?Easy enough to fab a mounting bracket.
bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber
327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Gary
Yes you can use the Commodore callipers.
Have a look at Smiley’s Baja thread http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=80275 . It’s a hell of a thread but there is a section in there all about the spindles & brakes. I did a set of CB front spindles for him, he fabricated a very nice set of calliper mounts, all bolted, no welding. Used Commodore standard rims and got a nice stance for the front of the Baja, although it is wider than a CB would be, I think?
Don’t forget to use the Type 2 M18 x 1 (fine thread, not the beetle ones which are M18 x 1.5) clamp nuts instead of the standard bearing double lock nuts.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-405-669
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-405-670
Cheers
Tony
Yes you can use the Commodore callipers.
Have a look at Smiley’s Baja thread http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=80275 . It’s a hell of a thread but there is a section in there all about the spindles & brakes. I did a set of CB front spindles for him, he fabricated a very nice set of calliper mounts, all bolted, no welding. Used Commodore standard rims and got a nice stance for the front of the Baja, although it is wider than a CB would be, I think?
Don’t forget to use the Type 2 M18 x 1 (fine thread, not the beetle ones which are M18 x 1.5) clamp nuts instead of the standard bearing double lock nuts.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-405-669
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-405-670
Cheers
Tony
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
Thanks Tony- I am in Leigh Creek at the moment and found an old model Commie with 4 wheel discs - the fronts look like the rotors slip off the hubs, but I can't see how to get the hub off- there is no grease cap to get at the lock nut. I will jack it up and remove the caliper, may become obvious then.It looks like it may be easy to change the stud pattern if needed , just drill in the middle of the OG studs.
nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
I pulled a front rotor off and it has the sealed hubs held on with the caps crews - it's a November 96 model. What year car are you talking about??
bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber
327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Hi Gary
Yes, not that new-fangled late model stuff. Needs to be the Kingswood and Commodore with the standard bearing cap on the outside. You knock the cap off and there's a nut in there that holds the bearings on to a stub axle, just like a VW. Looks like VP was the last of them, 1993.
Cheers
Tony
Yes, not that new-fangled late model stuff. Needs to be the Kingswood and Commodore with the standard bearing cap on the outside. You knock the cap off and there's a nut in there that holds the bearings on to a stub axle, just like a VW. Looks like VP was the last of them, 1993.
Cheers
Tony
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
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OK on to it- thanks
nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
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Hope you are on to it Tony with the Commie rotors.My new rotors arrived yesterday for the CB conversion.The calipers look like they are the correct ones for the rotors.Another job on the to do list.I will make a dedicated cradle to fit the beam onto my VW engine stand.I will do all the measuring stuff tomorrow and source the bearings if it measures OK.The rotors have new bearing cups already pressed in place.
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
The seal size you list Tony is no good- the seal OD has to be 59mm, same as the bearing cup OD. There is no step of larger diameter so must be 45/59/8. Will try Moory next week
bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber
327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·
Hi Gary
That’d be right, that seal is what a Country Buggy uses, the Holden disc is probably different. They’ll have that one available at one of the places in town.
I can see the picture this time? Haven’t seen a picture on one of your posts for a while. Wish I could see “My last toy”. Did you do something different with this picture?
Cheers
Tony
That’d be right, that seal is what a Country Buggy uses, the Holden disc is probably different. They’ll have that one available at one of the places in town.
I can see the picture this time? Haven’t seen a picture on one of your posts for a while. Wish I could see “My last toy”. Did you do something different with this picture?
Cheers
Tony
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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk
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Got the bearings from CBC this morning-just standard Commie kits,they just need to swap the seals over-they didn't have the seals in stock.Cost $20 a side for NGK bearings and cups and the seals-bargain.Will have to strip the CB brakes and draw up the caliper mounts and get on the Mill.Thanks for the info on doing this conversion.