How hard would it be would it be to stick a 1200 or a bit bigger into a golf mk 2?
can somebody help me or arent i being specifi enough.
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Rotary in a golf?
kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects
124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
many people hate rotaries here as they are a death trap for VW's!! they are light thats all thats good about them.
they need constant maintainence and are always hard to get partsfor/work done on them.
your better off upgrading and buying a golf GTI 1.8L or 2L engine!!
cheers
rhys
they need constant maintainence and are always hard to get partsfor/work done on them.
your better off upgrading and buying a golf GTI 1.8L or 2L engine!!
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
Biggus Casual Dubber
34 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
kombi_kid wrote:many people hate rotaries here as they are a death trap for VW's!! they are light thats all thats good about them.
they need constant maintainence and are always hard to get partsfor/work done on them.
your better off upgrading and buying a golf GTI 1.8L or 2L engine!!
cheers
rhys
Maybe we should ask Zenjoe what he thinks, hey?
You've never owned a rotary, have you? Yes, they're light, but they're capable of comparitively large power outputs for relatively little outlay. Modern rotaries are excellent performers, and don't really require anymore maitenance than you would expect from any other high performance engine. Parts are plentiful, as are workshops that specialise them, particularly in the major cities. If anything, the rotary performance market in Australia is larger than the VW market.
Now, back to the question....
Aren't Golfs front-wheel drive? I don't know how you'd go about converting a FWD car to a rotary engine. It would be hellishly expensive to do.
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
modern rotaries last a long time.
Earlier rotaries got a bad name because of people doing wild porting like the bridgeports which gives the apex seals a hard time, so they die early.
Modern EFI rotaries with more modest ports should be perfectly streetable and reliable.
It would be a hard conversion in a FWD golf, and would suck to drive (can you say torque steer). I would start with a RWD platform.
Earlier rotaries got a bad name because of people doing wild porting like the bridgeports which gives the apex seals a hard time, so they die early.
Modern EFI rotaries with more modest ports should be perfectly streetable and reliable.
It would be a hard conversion in a FWD golf, and would suck to drive (can you say torque steer). I would start with a RWD platform.
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Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
So just go with a golf motor? or something else but not a rotary?
kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects
124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
yer i thought he was talking about the old 13B rotaries.
it was just from a post before that was discussed that i wrote it from!
i dont have any experiences with rotary!
cheers
rhys
it was just from a post before that was discussed that i wrote it from!
i dont have any experiences with rotary!
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
vwrallycar Insano Dub Head
721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
hey if thats a GTI 1.8 you got and you wanna change it, do u wanna sell the motor?
Biggus Casual Dubber
34 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
You don't mean the 13B. That only just went out of production a few months ago. You might be talking about early 12As and 10As.kombi_kid wrote:yer i thought he was talking about the old 13B rotaries.
I don't think we're going to see RENESIS rotaries in beetles anytime soon simply because they're so new. It would be super cool though. If I win the $15mil tonight, I'd consider it. 😀
T25Turbo Slammed & Awesome Dubber
96 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
Black Math,
I had a dream about doing exactly what you describe. I am behind you all the way.
Power to weight is phenomenal, just look at the fastest Drag Racers in the country, the Turbo Rotarians are keeping up or quicker than the fastest Blown V8s.
I think a cheaper approach would be to get a mazda 323 (rear drive old one) and drop a rotary in that. Otherwise if you want to keep it VW, a beetle would probably be better to drive.
If Rotary into golf is what you want to do go ahead and do it. Be prepared to shell out some cash though.
I had a dream about doing exactly what you describe. I am behind you all the way.
Power to weight is phenomenal, just look at the fastest Drag Racers in the country, the Turbo Rotarians are keeping up or quicker than the fastest Blown V8s.
I think a cheaper approach would be to get a mazda 323 (rear drive old one) and drop a rotary in that. Otherwise if you want to keep it VW, a beetle would probably be better to drive.
If Rotary into golf is what you want to do go ahead and do it. Be prepared to shell out some cash though.
Biggus Casual Dubber
34 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
See, the thing is that converting a front-wheel drive car to another engine is a lot of work from an engineering standpoint. Think about the transmission. It has to remain in a more or less standard position, because its driving the wheels. You'd have to mount the rotary in an east-west fashion, and I don't know that the golf is wide enough for it. This is why you don't see many front wheel drive engine swaps, at least for street cars with more-or-less normal chassis', and in those cases where I've seen them done, the old engine is replaced with an extremely similar design. It might be worth your while to find some ford laser/mazda 323 forums and chat with people who've converted their 1.6 B6 engines for 1.8 BP engines, just to ask about the difficulties they encountered.Black_math wrote:So just go with a golf motor? or something else but not a rotary?
You know, you could just go turbo. Its easier, and probably a lot cheaper.
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Oh i was gonna have a turbo in it anyway, that would be basic
kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects
124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
turbo + insurance+under 25= lots of cash/non existant!!!
not tryin to scare u off but this is where it all starts!!!
cheers
rhys
not tryin to scare u off but this is where it all starts!!!
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Nah im not gonna put a rotary in im jus gonan get a big ass normal motor, and i do have the money.
Biggus Casual Dubber
34 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
Yeah, its expensive, but it isn't as bad as most people reckon. I've been turbo and imported since I was 21, and I've only just turned 25. It isn't as big a deal as you'd think. There are insurers out there who don't include a full cavity search as part of their premiums. It'd be more expensive to insure an atmo rotary in a golf than it would to stick a turbo on a vw motor.kombi_kid wrote:turbo + insurance+under 25= lots of cash/non existant!!!
not tryin to scare u off but this is where it all starts!!!
cheers
rhys
Costs do stack up quickly, but if you can afford a big ass motor, then you can probably afford the insurance too.
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
😀Good good for me then😀
Biggus Casual Dubber
34 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
Of course, we all expect a ride in it when you're done.
Do you know if the trans will hold up to stacks more power?:bounce
Do you know if the trans will hold up to stacks more power?:bounce
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
It better cause this ones gonna be all street racing trick 😀, and if it dosnt ile sell it and get a new one🙂 then do that up
lowdown Seriously Crusin Dubber
127 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
kombi kid please dont regurgitate other peoples closeminded views drive/own a rotary yourself then give us your views most people have never even driven a rotary let alone owned one and just start spewing out absolute bullshit. im tired of rotary bagging on this site i can tell you all that i have 10 times more trouble with my air cooled vw motor than i ever did with my rotories and i drove the shit out of them.
black_math it is possible to make your fwd golf rotary powered there is a few guys in newzealand running fwd rotors. i think you will have troubles finding a workshop that will do it, but ask around you never know. also check out http://www.3rotor.com and look for the newzealand links you will probably find info on the fwd rotors somewere on there.
black_math it is possible to make your fwd golf rotary powered there is a few guys in newzealand running fwd rotors. i think you will have troubles finding a workshop that will do it, but ask around you never know. also check out http://www.3rotor.com and look for the newzealand links you will probably find info on the fwd rotors somewere on there.
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kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects
124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
hey
im not baggin them and sorry if i offended and as he asked for opinions so yer....
again sorry if i offended
cheers
rhys
im not baggin them and sorry if i offended and as he asked for opinions so yer....
again sorry if i offended
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
Black_math Blaupunkt
1,111 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Thanks lowdown, id liek to but im thinking about just going iwth a big vw or whatever motor lot les complicated to install, but im gonna have a look at the site and see if it would be worth it🙂