distributors? why is a 009 special?

Rota_Motor · 2003-11-09T04:52:45+00:00

I've tried the search function but nothing. so.. whats the deal with the million different types of dizzies made for aircooleds, and what makes the bosch 009 dizzy so good? we have a 009 in the beetle, and the previous owners tuenr was adamant that we dont change the timing, and just check the points gap every so often, I have NFI why though.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 4:45 pm

#110714

Ummm....Craig

Shirley you are running a dog house cooler???

Futue te ipsum!!!

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 4:49 pm

#110715

Ummmm.... just thinking Craig

Haveny you lost your retardation (ok ok NO jokes PLEASE!) when you put your 009 in???

Ummm..... isnt the retardation caused by an offset on the post/cam and have NOTHING to do with points

By the way i believe you can get a Magfire/Petronixs thingie for a original dizzy with retardation

Futue te ipsum!!!

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 5:23 pm

#110725

yeah, but Craig's trophy cabinet is testament to the fact you don't need all that:bounce

Pay your debts, CxxT

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 5:34 pm

#110732

Craig means when you fit electronic ignition or magnafire system yes it does away with the points and teh retardation on # 3 yes which is driven of the cam lobe.

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:02 pm

#110767

blue74l wrote:Shirley you are running a dog house cooler???

I will say again..... Surely you aint running a 36hp shroud on a 1916??? :o

Retardation is ONLY needed if the oil cooler is in the air flow of #3. (ie 36hp shroud)

Retardation is only possible if you have the correct lobed cam (ie 36hp dizzies)

You can get (i believe?) a 009 with the non-square shaft

You can get (i believe?) Magfire/Petronix/Compufire that fits a non-square shaft.

Barry

Futue te ipsum!!!

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:39 pm

#110785

Ok so when I use a dog house on my new motor what do i do with my 009 ?

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:43 pm

#110788

keep it - why would you change?

You gettin' all this, Rota? lol

Pay your debts, CxxT

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:44 pm

#110789

KAfer

the oo9 is fine with a dog house.
It takes the oil cooler out of the air stream
VW retarded #3 with the 36HP shroud cause the oil cooler blocked air flow to that cylinder.
By rertarding #3 they got it to run a bit cooler than the other cylinders.

You "shouldnt" use a 009 with a 36HP shroud - especially with a modified motor

Futue te ipsum!!!

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:46 pm

#110792

VWCOOL wrote:You gettin' all this, Rota? lol

heh heh heh

Rota - you sold the VW yet???

U must hate us! 😀

Futue te ipsum!!!

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 7:57 pm

#110801

Cool....(no pun intended)

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:12 pm

#110810

blue74l wrote:Ummmm.... just thinking Craig

Haveny you lost your retardation (ok ok NO jokes PLEASE!) when you put your 009 in???

A 009 has 3 deg retard on #3 Barry.

Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:24 pm

#110816

What about the sigma dizzy's is there any benefit to these.

Whats the part number to the 009 points have been having trouble getting them.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:24 pm

#110817

Craig Torrens wrote:A 009 has 3 deg retard on #3 Barry.

NOT a stocker it dont!

Futue te ipsum!!!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:35 pm

#110825

blue74l wrote:KAfer

the oo9 is fine with a dog house.
It takes the oil cooler out of the air stream
VW retarded #3 with the 36HP shroud cause the oil cooler blocked air flow to that cylinder.
By rertarding #3 they got it to run a bit cooler than the other cylinders.

You "shouldnt" use a 009 with a 36HP shroud - especially with a modified motor

But Barry a 009 has retard on #3 !!! so using your arguement, they are fine to use on a early style fan .

So Barry why didn't VW retard #4 as well, shares the same air as #3 ????

The retard was built in due to a leaning out problem on #3, the cooler just made things worse, it is not the sole source of the problem.

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:38 pm

#110827

blue74l wrote:
Craig Torrens wrote:A 009 has 3 deg retard on #3 Barry.
NOT a stocker it dont!

So when did they change, all my "Stock" 009 have retard on #3 , even the one on my 36hp motor !

Rota_Motor

Former member · 11 Nov 2003, 8:47 pm

#110835

blue74l wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:You gettin' all this, Rota? lol

heh heh heh

Rota - you sold the VW yet???

U must hate us! 😀

HAH!! no, its all good, at least there is a reason, and if I run the right oil cooler and shroud, I dont need to worry about the retarding number 3 🙂

keep all this informative info coming 🙂

and while I got your attention, and your fingers, is standard beetle fuel line 1/4" or 5/16" ?? also is the engine number the number I can find stamped into the caase just below where the generator stand bolts on? thanks guys :kiss

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 11 Nov 2003, 8:53 pm

#110839

that's right, number under generator stand, fuel line 5/16 I think !!! I run larger lines than standard as I have twin webbers!

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 12 Nov 2003, 7:54 am

#110901

Craig Torrens wrote:But Barry a 009 has retard on #3 !!! so using your arguement, they are fine to use on a early style fan .

For those that want to read some other information

http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/distributor.htm

http://www.geocities.com/vwresource/dizzy_intro.html

Craig
Where do you get it that all 009s have retard on #3.
If that were true why does the Magfire disc that fits over the post fit in any direction.
EARLY dizzy this would not be possible cause the post is not square.

YES - i have "heard" you can get a 009 with retard BUT is not common. I have not seen one.

Futue te ipsum!!!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 12 Nov 2003, 12:42 pm

#110961

Barry , I stand corrected, if you purchase a new 009 today it does not have retard on #3 (so I have been told). All the 009's I have do, as they are about 10 years old, apparently they changed a couple of years back 🙁

So it sound like you need to check when you buy a 2nd hand 009 !!
More fun
😀

Rota_Motor

Former member · 13 Nov 2003, 12:29 am

#111226

well I did a little to the beetle today, I replaced the fuel hose, found our fuel leak was a split rubber line from the tank, so that was good, also the car is missing the rear piece of tin around the motor, and the 009 dizzy, I looked to see if it had retard on #3, but I kept hitting my head on the engine cover so I gave up 😉

also is there a website or something where I can look up what the original capacity was from the engine number, or even what kind of car/year it originally came out in?

mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Nov 2003, 3:00 pm

#111405

Rota_Motor wrote:also is there a website or something where I can look up what the original capacity was from the engine number, or even what kind of car/year it originally came out in?

Yes. Check this out.

http://www.geocities.com/aussiebug1970/years.html

robnjo Veteran Volks Folk

2,082 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 13 Nov 2003, 9:01 pm

#111560

wasn't there another bosch dissy'I think the # was 006 or something?

mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 14 Nov 2003, 8:28 am

#111671

"when I'm old you can send me to the old volks home"

Time to go there! They have a lot of info about what ignition bits go with each type and year of VW.

Old Volks Home

70AutoStik Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Nov 2003, 1:03 am

#112281

Thought I'd throw in some info on the No.3 retard:

I believe all the original dizzy's had it (as made for the stationary engines,) and Bosch Germany continued making them until the mid-80's. If you have a Brazilian or Mexican "009" you can be confident it has no retard. If you have a german 009 you think is of later than about 84: If you have a degree pulley, simply switch the pickup for the strobe light from #1 to #3 and see if it's different. Most original pulleys line up rather accurately from the stamped indentations at all four TDCs, so you shouldn't have a problem checking it anyway.

Rota_Motor

Former member · 16 Nov 2003, 1:47 pm

#112375

hey guys, just been checking out the engine number sites, and I have a problem, our engine number is 9 digits, no letters, whereas all the listed ID's have one or two letters followed by up to 7 numbers.

our number is 126 *** *** can anyone help??

tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!

1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 16 Nov 2003, 3:16 pm

#112386

As matter if interest, i run a rather rare'ish Mallory twin point dizzy on my F-Vee.
It has adjustable rate of advance and total amount of ignition advance.

Usually set at around 30 degrees BTDC @ 3000rpm.

There you go
L8tr
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....