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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#706925
Boostn wrote:ok so what you are saying is Rod bought those parts cheap in the form of an engine instead of boxes.
Yes it was cheap Nick.
Much less than it would cost to buy the separate parts.


David,
when you factor in the lighter car,
no belt and muffler,
and the extra comp that rod has,(I assume yours is less than 14:1!),
you are right there.

I will find the build details and post up some assembly pics.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#706950
The crank is an 8 dowel 86mm scat with type 4 centre main and 2" rod journals.
Cam is Clay Smith with 280@.050" and has .615" lift at the valve.
(Rockers are the standard cast Autocraft with 1.4 ratio.)



I made an extended pick-up from steel tube,
and silver soldered it on so no leaks.
Sump is 5 quart CB sump.



Case is just an ordinary magnesium AS41 deal with 10mm head studs.
Dizzy is MSD with advance locked at 28 degrees.



Oil pump is an EMPI 30mm cast unit.
I had to machine the back off to align the inlet hole,
and while I was there,
I radiused where the port entrance meets the gears.
I also plugged both the pump and the case at the outlet port.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#706964
The rod are 5.7 Carrillos.



Replaced the cast FW with a genuine VW steel one and resurfaced the clutch surfaces.
I located the clutch with roll pins before balancing the crank, FW and clutch.
The step height was set to get the correct pressure and geometry.
Note the large hex nut...it needs all the help it can get in the dowel area.





The pistons are Wiseco in AC cylinders with .005" clearance.
(While talking clearances, all crank journals have between 3 and 3.5 thou.)

Gaskets are .040" thick.
Comp ratio was between 17.46 and 18.19...so this has been reduced to 14:1.



Chambers:



Ports:







Valves had been rubbing on notch diameter:



And valve clearance was too close, so this was changed, when comp was reduced.

Valves ,retainers, and collets are Ttanium.
Springs set to travel of .700".



The seal holes in the heads,
for the push rod tubes, needed opening up , and the washers on the tubeswere too large,
thus preventing the seal from seating,
so they were turned down.
No leaks!!



Finished:

(ported some new gaskets ready to fit the 51.5mm IDA's.
Pete says they have 46 vents, 195 mains(F7) , 220 airs and 65 idles.(correct me if I am wrong).
Data says perhaps a larger idle jet, smaller main and smaller airs should be better,
but up around 7800 all is sweet.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Boostn Wolfsburg Wizard

657 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#706969
Nice work Dave.
Rod now needs to update his plates....hahaha

still one of my favs.
VOLLKOMMEN ART
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Dak-A-Tak Volksie Pete

1,381 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#706982
Good one Dave , your pic's are ART for us volksy nuts ! All parts where new on motor except cam (was a secet grind for drag racing ) . Was much easier buying from well none vw drag racer as a new turn key motor but we had a couple oiling issues so a complete look inside was needed . This when Dave work his magic again found comp very wrong ( 17.4 not 14.1 as paper work )
We notice the motor pinged on first burnout we did at earlier test & tune we went to . We had low oil pressure once motor good hot so Rod turned it off ,to come back another day .
Barrels - JayCee long , Melling cast iron oil pump with empi cover . Comp Eliminators ,these heads work well out of box but with hand porting , large titanium valves ,good cam , 51.5 carbs all add up to sweet allmotor combo .
Carb jetting is correct Dave , carbs came with that setting but a much smaller main jet so I richened it up .
So not perfect yet but a good start . Next - Rod ! I want a drive !😂

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#706999
Congrats to all........what a great result.


HS618 Officially Full-On Dubber

277 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#707001
Wow - Congratulations to all contributors for the excellent performance - the effort shows!!.
Rod, I don't see anything wrong with the reaction times (it's nearly finished and ready to burn____!)

davidoconnor Commited Dubber

71 posts · joined May 2005 ·

#707042
Dave,

Thanks for sharing all the details and pics, inspirational stuff! Compression really seems to wake these motors up. I remember reading about the likes of Mike (?)Smith's drag Bug and Roger Crawford's Bad Company Beetle in the States. With sub 2l engines they were running deep into the 11's. Over 14:1 compression in both cases and over 8000RPM, yikes!!

Top effort to the Dak-A-Tak team.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#707062
Love the pics of the build up.

You must be proud of what it is (Rod, Pete, Dave) and the results for its first time out.

westi what the

1,610 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#708730
lookin good,but were's the vid's.not happy jan.
tell rod .may be the best of your life.lol,
the mad texan (Rod) must be happy and you pete must be alittle green with envy.you know you want to have a go.
tell rod that you need to do some more testing in your car before putting it in the black drag car,you know ,just to make sure everything is tip top.
can't wait to see her in action.
when is that show that you wanted to go to.
down sharon.

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#722761
Gotta ask, was there any video footage of the run??
Reub

Dak-A-Tak Volksie Pete

1,381 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#722802
Sorry mate ! no footage on that night , hard to crew and film but we are heading out to willowbank (25th July) part of Dyno Mania 2009. Are you still coming down for Warwick ,mate ?

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#722853
No stress Pete. Cheers for the reply.
I've a leave of absence approved by Rach - so plan to be there - unfortunately without either of my cars. Look forward to seeing the action and meeting a bunch of guys I read about all the time👍
Reub

Dak-A-Tak Volksie Pete

1,381 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#726189
Well , I think Rod was a little happy after Dyno Day 😁 with new engine making nice power and taking home dyno operators chose award too .
With big chokes engine has a quiet a big lazy window around 4 to 5000 rpm but after that it's an animal . So I'm sure with more tuning this motor should make the 200hp mark !

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#726316
Sounded sweet at the track on Sat nite!!

What diff set up does the gearbox have? Open?

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#726323
aluminium spool back on page 2.......hoping to watch it run hard again for a while again at Warwick 09.......


davidoconnor Commited Dubber

71 posts · joined May 2005 ·

#726352
Wow thats some RPM on the dyno! If this was done in 3rd gear, thats around 8K!!?

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#736124
Wait to see what happens when it gets a tune up!
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

vassy66T1 Wow ... are U reading this?

2,120 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#736159
Good figures in the air ... Rod or Pete should spill the beans. 😵

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#736192
218.9
With Muffler...can that be true!?
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#736193
Or was that, "I ate a 218.9 gram Muffin".
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

Dak-A-Tak Volksie Pete

1,381 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#736240
Yep!!!!!!! but was a liittle lean guys on that run (we keep no secrets here boys ). We had 13 dyno pulls , trying muffler , clossing up mid range with top end A/F ratio's , timing up & down , stinger , rev's , heat range oil to motor temp , learned alot today . Quick brake down ; 2387cc , 14to1 comp, racing fuel 14plus,51's IDA's ,comp eliminators 48 x 40 ,msd 6al .All runs done in 4gear too.
1 / From start with muffler 199 hp ( 195m's , 220 airs ,f7 emulsion, 46 ven's, timing 28 deg's
2/ 206 hp 180 m's
4/ 214.3 hp f11 emulions
5/ 218.9 hp full throttle at 100klms ( to lean at mid range A/F )
6/ 214.6 hp made a change to 210 airs , pull at 180f oil , A/F 13.2 mid to 12.5 high end .😵
7/ 208.1 hp cold motor , oil 150f
8/ 201.7 hp as above change timing up 30deg's & lean at mid range 🤪
9/ 211 hp timing back 26deg's ,motor warm & oil 170f (wow)
10/ 207 hp STINGER ON , LEAN !!!!!!!! 14.1 A/F 😬
11/ 209.7 hp changed mains 190 , A/F 12.5 (good)
12/ 204.6 hp changed timing up 28degs
13/ 212 hp Blocked stinger off (half of openning ) more back pressure 😂
We started at 10.30 finished at 2.30 , temp changed from 26degs to 30.6 deg's through out day . All this information could never have happened at race track conditions .
Over all very happy (Rod spending time and cash ) with results ,now we are looking forward to Warwick .🙅

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#736249
Bloody awesome to hear guys! Can't wait to see it run...

When are you heading to Warwick? I'll be there Friday arvo and look forward to catching up Pete.
Reub

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#736250
Well done Pete and Rod. Very good results there. Thanks for sharing.
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Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#736319
awesome stuff guys....👍

LIFE IN THE LOW LANE All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the pr

2,534 posts · joined Mar 2007 ·

#736366
Money well spent I say. Now to sort out running a stinger with a lil more back pressure!!
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#736425
Explains the reverse taper you see on a lot of the stingers.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

typethreeking Wolfsburg Wizard

621 posts · joined May 2008 ·

#736800
come on guys wheres the dyno graph...??
BEING ASPIRATED FEELS GREAT BUT BEING BLOWN TAKES THING TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL....

chunks54 Slammed & Awesome Dubber

84 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·

#736834
I always wondered about the reverse taper on stingers....

Nice results guys.

What are the details on the titanium valvetrain? Where are they from?
Happiness is a Hot VW.

1954 Bug, 2276/Turbo

Turbo lag - that split second when the other guy thinks he has a chance

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#736843
Titanium valves, for a Chev small block I think, less than 5" overall lengthand 11/32 stems.
I think they are Manley brand.
I think the retainers and collets are crower 10 degree.
westi wrote:That's mad Alan.