Clutch dramas at Stockton (HELP! won\'t start now)

pete wood · 2005-07-17T04:01:03+00:00

Finally got the car up to stockton on friday of years of waiting. I have to say, SUBARU MOTORS ROCK!!!!. 110 on the freeway and averaging 80 degrees. Did about 10l per 100km, maybe a bit less. Is that good milage? Then on the dunes... I'm talking 45 degree opposite lock power slides round the rim of a bowl in 2nd at about 60km/h! And still plenty of guts left! AWESOME!!! Had clutch dramas though. Firstly the clutch wouldn't disengage properly, so I tightened the cable. Got to the stage where the clutch was beginning to slip at low revs in 4th. Gets worse. Now it makes a nasty clanging sound when I turn it over with the starter. It also seems to be vibrating some. It goes ok and I managed to drive it home to Sydney alright. I haven't pulled it a part yet, any ideas what it might be. I have some nasty feelings is may be expensive. Might be time for that shortened sump and suspension lift at the same time...:onn[ Edited on 17-7-2005 by pete wood ]nn[ Edited on 20-8-2005 by pete wood ]

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Aug 2005, 12:47 pm

#398156

Baja Wes wrote:Do you have something to stop sand getting into your flywheel area? Sand in the clutch plate could be another explanation. The sand would initially get in between and stop it disengaging properly, but would then quickly wear the clutch out and make it slip?

So do I get a gold star? 🙂

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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 16 Aug 2005, 1:50 pm

#398170

Baja Wes wrote:
Baja Wes wrote:Do you have something to stop sand getting into your flywheel area? Sand in the clutch plate could be another explanation. The sand would initially get in between and stop it disengaging properly, but would then quickly wear the clutch out and make it slip?
So do I get a gold star? 🙂

Looks like you only get a blue star Wes....you forgot to mention the Thrust Bearing so some points have been deducted.:P

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2,282 posts · joined May 2003 · 16 Aug 2005, 2:00 pm

#398172

Seeing that Wes got a blue star for picking the trouble How do you stop the sand from getting into that area is there something you can buy to do that??

Marc

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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Aug 2005, 2:44 pm

#398180

it's pretty hard to get sand in there if you have a beetle motor.

It's easier to get it in there is you have a conversion that has left some kind of gaping hole open for sand to get in. I had to make up a steel plate to cover from the bottom of my block to the bottom of the VW bellhousing.

I'm not sure why exactly Pete got so much sand in there.

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 16 Aug 2005, 6:38 pm

#398233

mmm, I think I have the same gaping hole in the block as you had wes, only it was a subaru gaping hole not a mazda one. Wasn't just sand either. There was definitely dust in there from the 2 motorkhanas I went in as well.

Basically the sand went up through the block, through the hole in the adaptor plate and then around the edge of the flywheel, which picked it up and flung it round and it got into the clutch mechanisim. From there is was ground into a fine powder like I found it.

got some pics of it here,
http://www.geocities.com/peterwood738/buggyproject/buggyproject13.html

anyway, it'll get a cover on it now. Bit tired of learning the hard way...:onn[ Edited on 16-8-2005 by pete wood ]

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 17 Aug 2005, 5:53 pm

#398571

Motor back and running...running once anyway.

Turned it over and it ran for a few minutes, horribly rich for the cat I spose. Turned it over again and there was a big bang, raw fuel?
Now she won't fire.

Any ideas? Just flooded?

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helterskelter400 Fahrvergnugen

900 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Aug 2005, 6:36 pm

#398589

no ideas on the subaru but your web site was a good read. thanks.nn[ Edited on 17-8-2005 by helterskelter400 ]

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 20 Aug 2005, 5:42 pm

#399519

Ok, Now I have an issue. The motor is all back in, But i'm stuffed if I can get it to start. It has plenty of fuel and all the plugs are sparking, but it won't fire or run. The ECU is not showing any codes either. A mate and myself spend 2 hours trying to diagnose it this afternoon and it has us stumped.

Seems to be something to do with timing, but we can't figure out what.

Any ideas? Brad, Anyone?🙁

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 20 Aug 2005, 5:43 pm

#399520

Ok, Now I have an issue. The motor is all back in, But i'm stuffed if I can get it to start. It has plenty of fuel and all the plugs are sparking, but it won't fire or run. The ECU is not showing any codes either. A mate and myself spend 2 hours trying to diagnose it this afternoon and it has us stumped.

Seems to be something to do with timing, but we can't figure out what.

Any ideas? Brad, Anyone?🙁

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seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 · 20 Aug 2005, 7:13 pm

#399561

Pete , remove the power lead and leave it off for amount 60 seconds .
you put the earths back on ?

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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 20 Aug 2005, 9:01 pm

#399586

Nah dude, we've actually had mine run before. Prolly something stupid. last time it was the main ECU relay mucking up. But it was throwing masses of codes then. Not sure this time.:duh

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Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 20 Aug 2005, 10:52 pm

#399621

Check all your sensore plug and stuff you had undone.

If it won't fire I and you think it is timing I reckon your ECU is getting a bad signal. Check all your earths as well.

If nothing then I would unplug an injector and see if it throws a fault code just to make sure the ECU is doing it's job.

I reckon it is a plug though if it is over fueled and was running before you pulled it one if them may not be done up correctly or a joing wire may have pulled out.

Brad
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