shiftyvw Wolfsburg Wizard
523 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
can someone tell me what the difference is between a standard pobjoy 1916 and a "steroid" one. heads compression cam etc?
Locked 1916, what do you think of it?
OvalGlen Custom Title Time!
1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
hopefully see him on Sunday ,I'll let you Know.
Regards,Glenn>
jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard
560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
All I can say Peter is go for a ride in a stroker motored beetle & then tell me with a straight face that your 1916cc is better.
Just as a foot note, my little 1880cc is 4 seconds a lap quicker around Wakefield in another superbug with a base 1916cc from Stan , & thats with slicks!
After riding in a 2387cc beetle, tourqe is everything, why rev to 7000, 8000 or even 9000rpm when u can short shift at 6000rpm & watch the world go by as a blur.
regards
Jak
Just as a foot note, my little 1880cc is 4 seconds a lap quicker around Wakefield in another superbug with a base 1916cc from Stan , & thats with slicks!
After riding in a 2387cc beetle, tourqe is everything, why rev to 7000, 8000 or even 9000rpm when u can short shift at 6000rpm & watch the world go by as a blur.
regards
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
OvalGlen Custom Title Time!
1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
yes shiftyvw heads, carburetion , cam , compression and possibly crank ( if you opted for the cheaper set up without counterwieghts).
I didnt get exact details as he was pretty busy.
I didnt get exact details as he was pretty busy.
Regards,Glenn>
70AutoStik Insano Dub Head
730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Yes, Jakriz; a stroker can outperform a 1916 - I'm building one myself, and the cost and complexity tempt me to yell: "Stan, where the f&#% are you?"
I think Peter's comments are exactly what we are looking for here - some real world experience on the longevity and cooling issues with a truly professionally-built 1916. I, personally, would never question Stan's engineering abilities - but there has been a lot of debate over 94mm cylinders.
I think we have established that 94s can be used quite practically on a streetable motor, I'm simply mad enough to aim for the lifespan of an original engine - even though I, like most of us, will never personally see it. The original engine, with correct maintenance, can see over 200,000 miles - I have put this on work vehicles (commodores and falcons,) but can't see where I'd ever do it on my VW.
[But it's my dream!]
I think Peter's comments are exactly what we are looking for here - some real world experience on the longevity and cooling issues with a truly professionally-built 1916. I, personally, would never question Stan's engineering abilities - but there has been a lot of debate over 94mm cylinders.
I think we have established that 94s can be used quite practically on a streetable motor, I'm simply mad enough to aim for the lifespan of an original engine - even though I, like most of us, will never personally see it. The original engine, with correct maintenance, can see over 200,000 miles - I have put this on work vehicles (commodores and falcons,) but can't see where I'd ever do it on my VW.
[But it's my dream!]
Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile
1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·
jakriz wrote:All I can say Peter is go for a ride in a stroker motored beetle & then tell me with a straight face that your 1916cc is better.
"better?"
my 1916 has been running exactly as it should, reliably, ever since I started using it. If I had money and time to burn on replacing overstressed cases and cracked heads, I'd probably have a supercharged stroker in a car with all four wheels pointed in the same direction. I wanted power AND reliability. So for me, mines better.
When you lengthen the stroke, jak, do you remove material from the crankcase to clear the new throw? Have you ever blown up or cracked a case? broken a crank? had to rebuild your race engine?
horses for courses.
torque is cheap. but not THAT cheap.
what carbs, heads etc u running if you don't mind me asking?
😎
let sleeping dubs lie
Blue65 Officially Full-On Dubber
298 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
And miss out on the revenue? Would a druggie say no to a free fix???? The government makes too much money to do that.Peter Leonard wrote:...remember, double demerits. mucho cash for police. (if they were serious they'd drop the fines at easter, and double the demerits.)
:puke
Darn, I just got pulled over by the "police" tonight. I was doing 45mph (about 70km) in a 60km zone. Its double dual lane. There's no one else around for miles. Its in an industrial area. Police say radar showed 81km and shoved me a $200 fine and 3 demerit points. Oh crap....
:cry
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Blue65 Officially Full-On Dubber
298 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Sorry for the rant. How much does Stan charge for his engines btw?
Or rather how much would it cost to build a good decent engine?
Or rather how much would it cost to build a good decent engine?
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Owner of a 1964 VW Beetle, 1641cc engine, etc..
slowbug Learner Dubber
12 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·
I would like to know the answer to this question also......all this talk of fast engines is awakening my flagging testosterone😎Blue65 wrote:Or rather how much would it cost to build a good decent engine?
Che Castro ankle straps
1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
well the 1916 has it's place seeing it is cheaper to build than a stroker. Its a great budget motor
Jon
jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard
560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Autostick, the cost & complexity shouldn't be getting to u building a stroker. Whats the difference? A 76mm crank will slip into a vW with no clearancing needed, u can use standard rods with it & just use stroker pistons to offset the stroke. No dramas. If u are going to spend the money on a 69mm counterweighted crank anyway, why not go bigger for a little more cost.? For years I had always used standard 69mm cranks or 69mm counterweighted cranks but after having a stroker I'll never go back.
I agree totally that if u are on a budget then a standard balanced crank is perfect but if u are spending money on a crank & rods for that matter, invest in something bigger & better.
"Have you ever blown up or cracked a case? broken a crank? had to rebuild your race engine?
Yes Pete, I have just had a chevy rod let go, u may have seen my post from 2 months back, I'm not afraid to tell people. I've currently enlarged the capacity to 2027cc with 94mm pistons & I've replaced the rods with CB Performace race rods.
Before u raise your eyebrows about the blowup, The crank & rod setup that I have (I'm still using the crank) has been goign since 1984!!! 19 years in action, & my car is the first street/ race car that it has been in, previously it was doing duty in Borris' Targa race beetle I beleive, so to say that the rods & crank have had a hard run is an understatement, plus I've had them for 3 years in my motor & have done about 25 supersprints, revving it's head off all day & then driving it home again to drive to work the next day. So I'm not complaining about the blow up.
I'm running standard 040's that have been ported & polished with match ported manifolds (all tricks that backyard mechanics can do themselves) with 45mm Dellortoes.
regards
Jak:thumb
I agree totally that if u are on a budget then a standard balanced crank is perfect but if u are spending money on a crank & rods for that matter, invest in something bigger & better.
"Have you ever blown up or cracked a case? broken a crank? had to rebuild your race engine?
Yes Pete, I have just had a chevy rod let go, u may have seen my post from 2 months back, I'm not afraid to tell people. I've currently enlarged the capacity to 2027cc with 94mm pistons & I've replaced the rods with CB Performace race rods.
Before u raise your eyebrows about the blowup, The crank & rod setup that I have (I'm still using the crank) has been goign since 1984!!! 19 years in action, & my car is the first street/ race car that it has been in, previously it was doing duty in Borris' Targa race beetle I beleive, so to say that the rods & crank have had a hard run is an understatement, plus I've had them for 3 years in my motor & have done about 25 supersprints, revving it's head off all day & then driving it home again to drive to work the next day. So I'm not complaining about the blow up.
I'm running standard 040's that have been ported & polished with match ported manifolds (all tricks that backyard mechanics can do themselves) with 45mm Dellortoes.
regards
Jak:thumb
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
looks like we need a 2nd dyno day !!!!!!!
good to see you using 94's Jak, just need a 69mm crank !!!
🙂
good to see you using 94's Jak, just need a 69mm crank !!!
🙂
jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard
560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Yeh Craig, we'll have another one soon, I'll let u know. The case that I'm using is is clearanced for 94's & also CNC machined for up to a 86mm crank..........guess what I'm getting for Xmas! No going back now Craig! & to think the first motor that I built was a 1640cc!
regards
Jak
PS I just missed u at Richards the other day by 5 minutes!
regards
Jak
PS I just missed u at Richards the other day by 5 minutes!
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
70AutoStik Insano Dub Head
730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
A stroker crank, landed, will come to about $1200; a 76mm crank with standard rods will not "drop in" to the case, aftermarket rods come in at around $300. An Aussie supplier can supply a crank and modified holden rods for about $2000. A 76mm crank with stroker pistons will provide a rather low CR, with standard pistons will require spacers and cut to legth pushrods (and the exhaust can be a bugger to fit with large spacers.)
Just a few examples, a reasonable stroker can easily add up to about double what Stan the Man charges for his basic 1916s; I still think they're a reasonable alternative if you're on a budget (and a 1916 can work better with standard heads.)
Just a few examples, a reasonable stroker can easily add up to about double what Stan the Man charges for his basic 1916s; I still think they're a reasonable alternative if you're on a budget (and a 1916 can work better with standard heads.)
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I must say my 1915 was great, and the offroading I gave it showed it's longevity / drivability merits.
But once you look into the cost of a VW motor with 100+ HP, you'll begin to understand why I went watercooled. If your lucky enough to come for a ride, you'll really understand why I went watercooled. And when your wife/partner next complains of crap heating / no air-con, you'll wish you went watercooled too. :thumb
But once you look into the cost of a VW motor with 100+ HP, you'll begin to understand why I went watercooled. If your lucky enough to come for a ride, you'll really understand why I went watercooled. And when your wife/partner next complains of crap heating / no air-con, you'll wish you went watercooled too. :thumb
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
Jak , you're on a roll now !!!
:beer
:beer
OvalGlen Custom Title Time!
1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Jak - just craving for H.P.
I wanted more power too and decided that boost would work out cheaper.
Jak are you considering the " Turbo " next ????
I wanted more power too and decided that boost would work out cheaper.
Jak are you considering the " Turbo " next ????
Regards,Glenn>
jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard
560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
70stick I don't know where u buy your parts from but u are getting ripped off!
When was the last time u tried to get a 76mm crank into a VW case? have u actually tried it??? If cutting some pushrods to length & sticking some spacers under the barrels is a little too hard for u then I suggest sticking with the 1916cc.
Like I've said before, I've had both setups, standard stroke & now stroker & I'm only going to go bigger as I go along.
Who says size doesn't matter??? LOL
At the end of the day , use whatever works for u, not what u have read somewhere or heard someone say in a passing comment, unfortunantly as the old saying goes, 'Opinions are like A*%eholes, everyones got one. LOL
regards
Jak
[Edited on 22-4-2003 by jakriz]
When was the last time u tried to get a 76mm crank into a VW case? have u actually tried it??? If cutting some pushrods to length & sticking some spacers under the barrels is a little too hard for u then I suggest sticking with the 1916cc.
Like I've said before, I've had both setups, standard stroke & now stroker & I'm only going to go bigger as I go along.
Who says size doesn't matter??? LOL
At the end of the day , use whatever works for u, not what u have read somewhere or heard someone say in a passing comment, unfortunantly as the old saying goes, 'Opinions are like A*%eholes, everyones got one. LOL
regards
Jak
[Edited on 22-4-2003 by jakriz]
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
ct?Craig Torrens wrote:Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
Futue te ipsum!!!
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
CT doesn't have a superbug.
Hey blue, check this out, your our lucky 125th poster on the 3000 view, must be a prize for that.
:party
[Edited on 23-4-2003 by Baja Wes]
Hey blue, check this out, your our lucky 125th poster on the 3000 view, must be a prize for that.
:party
[Edited on 23-4-2003 by Baja Wes]
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Ooops....heh heh heh... I knew that!Baja Wes wrote:CT doesn't have a superbug.
Hmmm maybe i could win a panel beater!
Futue te ipsum!!!
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I had a silly post b4 - almost ALL the post are a 10:1 ratio.
This one is like 30:1
EVERYONE just wants to check this topic out.
I think EVERYONE wants to have an opinion just wont post it 😀
OK here goes - 88 slipins will beat a 1916 ANYDAY!!!!
This one is like 30:1
EVERYONE just wants to check this topic out.
I think EVERYONE wants to have an opinion just wont post it 😀
OK here goes - 88 slipins will beat a 1916 ANYDAY!!!!
Futue te ipsum!!!
karmannghia60 Karmann Ghia Sucker
1,459 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I shouldn't have asked the original Q 😉. A few months later, I bought a 1916 and the thread still going
raf
raf
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
What!?....... ya should have bought a 1775!.karmannghia60 wrote:.... I bought a 1916 .....
A 1916 will NEVER last.
The walls are too fat! 😀
Futue te ipsum!!!
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I even told people to go watercooled, and I still got no bites 😀
Maybe everyone has just realised watercooled is the way to go..... :vader
Maybe everyone has just realised watercooled is the way to go..... :vader
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Mood: Stoned he he he
Ahhh NOW i know why you went water cooled 😎😎
Ahhh NOW i know why you went water cooled 😎😎
Futue te ipsum!!!
NigeType3 Officially Full-On Dubber
371 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·
Wes your so funny heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheheheheheheehheehehehehe
:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce😀😀😀😀😀
:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce😀😀😀😀😀
Che Castro ankle straps
1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
no barry you got it wrong... 92's will even outlast stock.
and wes you're an idiot for spending a couple of grand to get 6 cylinders,EFI, DOHC, Variable length intake... i mean WHAT A RIPOFF! you should have just built an 1835 and smacked a holley on it, with a 4 tip monza exhaust, it would've kicked ass!
and wes you're an idiot for spending a couple of grand to get 6 cylinders,EFI, DOHC, Variable length intake... i mean WHAT A RIPOFF! you should have just built an 1835 and smacked a holley on it, with a 4 tip monza exhaust, it would've kicked ass!
Jon
jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard
560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
It was a new guy named Paul , Craig, I can't remember his last name, he knew of me & my racing & thats what got him started. The L-bug that he bought came with a Pobjoy 1916cc, he has since let Richard from V-Force go to town on the brakes , wheels , tyres & suspension. He said that the car is fine through the corners but lacks stright line speed so guess what he bought??? thats right, & stroker crank & chromoly race rods to match.Craig Torrens wrote:Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
regards
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!