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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494193

We aren't sure what carburetor or distributor She has....

Lee

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494201
squizy wrote:Is your fuel gauge accurate? Has it got enough benzina?
lol... plenty o benzene in the tank... does it no matter what the fuel tank level.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494202
68AutoBug wrote:
We aren't sure what carburetor or distributor She has....

Lee

will have a look tonight too... see if that will help.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

71EJVan Officially Full-On Dubber

352 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#494495
I have a similar problem in my 1600TP with 34pict. Hesitates even when warm.

I have
put a rebuild kit through the carb.
Changed the 009 for a rebuilt (everything replaced) vacume advance distributor.
Changed HT leads.
Changed fuel pressure settings (it has an electric pump with regulator).
Adjusted the choke.
Disconnected the choke.

All I can now think of is play in the throttle shaft which means I need to run the idle mixture rich to compensate for it. When the engine is hot it also idles high.

I think I'm just left with idle mixture. How about you Blu?

Regards
Brendan
A VW for everyone!!

1972 1302 German Look
1971 Bay Panel with Subaru EJ20T
1970 Type 3 squareback in progress
1971 Type 3 notchback in progress

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494515
Did You time the 009 dizzy at 32 degrees maximum advance?
as 009s cannot be timed statically at idle...

It should Now be going better with a SVDA Dizzy...

You will have to adjust the accelerator pump on the carburetor... its the little bent piece of wire with a spring on it.... You take the circlip or split pin off and advance it some, so when You push the throttle down, the accelerator pump will squirt in More fuel....

Your carby may be over rich and have too much fuel being injected into the inlet manifold....

Don't forget to oil all the moving parts on Your carburetor
This will stop further wear and help stop some of the leaks from the shafts...

cheers

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#494529
71EJVan wrote:I have a similar problem in my 1600TP with 34pict. Hesitates even when warm.

I have
put a rebuild kit through the carb.
Changed the 009 for a rebuilt (everything replaced) vacume advance distributor.
Changed HT leads.
Changed fuel pressure settings (it has an electric pump with regulator).
Adjusted the choke.
Disconnected the choke.

All I can now think of is play in the throttle shaft which means I need to run the idle mixture rich to compensate for it. When the engine is hot it also idles high.

I think I'm just left with idle mixture. How about you Blu?

Regards
Brendan
Check if your manifoldis icing up... take it for a drive and when it's constantly falt spotting, pull over with the engine running, and feel the T-intersection of the manifold. If it's cold, then that's your problem.... you need to either clean out your heat risers or get a new manifold and/or get a electric manifold blanket (they exist)
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494549
well... have had a look at a few things... checked all the wiring at the fuse box... all seems tight.
checked the carb and cant find any name stamped on it.. the only markings i have got from it are the numbers 23-3013.8-51
so i have done a search on the internet for carbies etc - hoping it is a serial number or model number of some sort but cant find anything that matches up.

oh... the carb butterfly shaft has a little play in it and i know this would not help the situation.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

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2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#494552
post a pic
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blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494570
pics coming.... uploading to photobucket......
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494572
ok... here are two pics of the carby....

see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

71EJVan Officially Full-On Dubber

352 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#494583
Definately not a solex. Do you have another carb that you can swap over? This would surely answer the fuel or electrical question.

Blutopless I posted my problem here with the aim to assist you and get a result myself. Not intending to hijack your post.

The 009 was timed to 32 degrees at around 3000rpm. Accelerator pump has also had multiple adjustments to improve things. Manifold preheat pipis are working fine. (The motor was newly installed at Easter)

It is 100% on what it was originally but still hesitates.

Regards
Brendan

[ Edited on 30-5-2006 by 71EJVan ]

[ Edited on 30-5-2006 by 71EJVan ]
A VW for everyone!!

1972 1302 German Look
1971 Bay Panel with Subaru EJ20T
1970 Type 3 squareback in progress
1971 Type 3 notchback in progress

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494598
71EJVan wrote:Blutopless I posted my problem here with the aim to assist you and get a result myself. Not intending to hijack your post.
no probs... sounds like we have a similar problem
71EJVan wrote:Definately not a solex. Do you have another carb that you can swap over? This would surely answer the fuel or electrical question.
nope... have no spare carbs laying round.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494600
OK Brendan....

that sounds OK for the 009....

I think its got to be the carburetor then.....

What air cleaner are You using? its not blocked?

If You have the correct spark.... correct fuel... and
correct air... it should be going good....

The valves open & shut OK...

You can see the fuel being sprayed down the inlet of the carburetor, when You push down on the throttle or cable end.... Maybe the accelerator pump isn't working??

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494604
Hi Blu,
I've never seen one of those on a Beetle....

I'd say thats the problem....

either somethings worn or loose in the carburetor....

that carburetor was made for 6 cylinder engines I believe
if its off a holden... an "old" holden....

Best thing is to get a Solex carby on Your engine....
or at least another carburetor....

and see if the problem still exists...

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#494614
On the bottom of the carby, the very bottom cast iron bit with the bottom shaft running through it will have a code on it - a BX- *** code. That will pretty much work out what 50's-70's Holden it is off. Remembering the smallest one of these motors was 132 ci or about 2.1 litre up to 202 ci or about 3.3 litre then it is likely it is not a good match for the motor. They also love to run on a hot manifold to aid vaporisation, hence why the exhaust and inlet manifolds were actually bolted together on the really old Holdens.

My thoughts is go stock carby.
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blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494672
thanks... so does anyone have a carb to suit in melbourne?
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494776
Ok

I have a 30/31 Pict with adapter plate

You want to pay for postage it is yours??

Ok - that is Abbotsford SYDNEY not Melbourne

[ Edited on 30-5-2006 by Bizarre ]
Futue te ipsum!!!

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#494854
Hey Rod

I've got a good 30PICT2 (I'm pretty sure)... dunno if that will suit your displacement though. My instinct tells me it's for a 1300... I drive past Dub-Town (shite Town 😉 ) when i got to Geelong at least once a week.. so I could drop it off for ya if needs be.

[ Edited on 30-5-06 by oval TOFU ]
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#494889
you need an adapter plate to get a 30 to fit a 1600 manifold.

What motor do you have?? 1300?? TP or 1600??
Futue te ipsum!!!

helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#494907
Chris, if it is the same as the carby off the dead KOC, then it is an original size for 1300 single port.
oval TOFU wrote:Hey Rod

I've got a good 30PICT2 (I'm pretty sure)... dunno if that will suit your displacement though. My instinct tells me it's for a 1300... I drive past Dub-Town (shite Town 😉 ) when i got to Geelong at least once a week.. so I could drop it off for ya if needs be.

[ Edited on 30-5-06 by oval TOFU ]
EJ22 into Bay Microbus - Finished project build thread- click on this spot here for info

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#494930
thanks for the offer bizarre... but i will take up chris's offer coz he is closer...

the motor is a 1300 (haven't looked if single or twin port)

thanks all for your help...
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

oval TOFU Bitte, ein Bit!

2,946 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#494969
Helbus wrote:Chris, if it is the same as the carby off the dead KOC, then it is an original size for 1300 single port.

Yeh, its the same as the one from the dead KOC.. so Rod, you're in luck!
...and Robert's ya father's brother...

mr k Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Apr 2006 ·

#495013
try driving in straight line only

EgeWorks Wolfsburg Wizard

602 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#495018
I saw in the pic that you had an alternator on that motor. Sometimes stock carbs will foul on it. It could be the reason why it is not the stock one on there...

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#495026
oval TOFU wrote:
Helbus wrote:Chris, if it is the same as the carby off the dead KOC, then it is an original size for 1300 single port.

Yeh, its the same as the one from the dead KOC.. so Rod, you're in luck!
kewl... thanks heaps.. when you want me to pick it up??? can come anyday from friday to monday. :thumb
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#495029
mr k wrote:try driving in straight line only
hahaha.. tried that one... pretty boring going up and down the driveway tho... :P
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#495030
EgeWorks wrote:I saw in the pic that you had an alternator on that motor. Sometimes stock carbs will foul on it. It could be the reason why it is not the stock one on there...
haven't really had a close look but will soon find out... thanks for the heads up. :thumb
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro