water in cylinders

mr k Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Apr 2006 · 29 May 2006, 12:01 pm

#494140

took my motor out....... and found out why my 1600 twin port does'nt work......water got in the carby and the cylinders have rusted in on one side.my question is....can they be saved?.....what to use to clean them? thanks for any information.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 May 2006, 12:22 pm

#494145

Hi Mr K,

Depends on how badly rusted the cylinders are....

Clean them with soapy steel wool.....

until they are bright....

and You can see if there are any pits rusted in the cylinder walls....

If that doesn't remove the rusted bits...
try wet & dry paper.... wet...
Can't remember what grit size i used....
I suppose if You start with a fine paper and keep going up
in coarseness until its all smooth then go over it again with the finer paper....
Only go around the cylinder...
Not up & down....[or in & out] the cylinder....

I saved mine... It depends on how long its been wet & how much water.... naturally...
My son had to replace one of His cylinders recently.....
engine had been sitting for a few years....
Best of Luck...

Lee

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 29 May 2006, 12:24 pm

#494146

probably will need to re-hone them... depending on the rust. Piston and barrels are pretty cheap, might be worth getting a fresh set if your doing a rebuild.

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 May 2006, 12:43 pm

#494156

76camper wrote:, might be worth getting a fresh set if your doing a rebuild.

I think Mr K is "now" doing a rebuild. :jesus

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 29 May 2006, 2:13 pm

#494196

Yes, it doesn't take water long to eat away at freshly polished steel cylinders....

If He left the carburetor full of Fuel....
He may need another carburetor....
Unleaded fuel turns to a "Gunky slimey Yucky" mess....
and blocks the accelerator pump ball valve in the Solex carburetor....
I couldn't get Mine clear.... rest of the carby was fine....

Just can't accelerate because of the blocked valve....
in a part of the carby thats Not accessable....

Lee

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

mr k Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Apr 2006 · 30 May 2006, 11:49 am

#494551

thanks for all your help guys.just taken other head off....it appears ok .but i cant get the piston out of the cylinder....i tried to knock it off with a piece of wood...no go.......sprayed wd 40 ......when i get home today ill try again.any suggestions ?...can i undo piston and remove both barrel and piston together?

76camper Fahrvergnugen

884 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 30 May 2006, 12:32 pm

#494561

no, you will need to take out the gudgeon pin to remove the pison. To do this you need to have the piston free. Try and rotate the engine as bashing the piston wont do too much....

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 30 May 2006, 12:50 pm

#494564

Yes,
hitting the piston won't really do anything as the pressure just goes back to the crankshaft...
You will have to try to turn the engine over.....
by hand.....
You have to be careful of the cylinders too, as the fins break off if bent...

You may have rust between the piston rings....??

You have a big problem there.....

best of Luck

Lee

- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

mr k Casual Dubber

42 posts · joined Apr 2006 · 30 May 2006, 1:25 pm

#494575

it appears that it does have rust between the rings.i can rotate the motor....but the rusty piston and cylinder move together freely.i will try a few things later.......but if nothing works would cutting the cylinder off with a grinder be advised ...or not.....then just replace them........also...if im going to keep this car for awhile ..is it best to put 4 new ones in instead of just one?

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 30 May 2006, 1:31 pm

#494578

Could you take the other pistons off and then work "through" the case and take the rod off the crank.

then soak it in kero or something??

New piston/cylinder kits are not that dear. $2-300. Buy a new set

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