Wiring Kit

Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag Officially Full-On Dubber

221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 4 Nov 2006, 3:56 pm

#552262

Reading about Alan's article in VWMA about the wiring setup he had in his '63 Green machine made me green with envy...I have to do an overhaul of the wiring in my bug and i want to do it myself so a wiring kit would be great. Does anyone know of one thats available in Australia?

Think I will change to 12 volt...damn the idea of keeping the car stock, I want a bigger engine.

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ctefeh Wolfsburg Wizard

479 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 4 Nov 2006, 4:30 pm

#552268

IFEKET,
There are a few kits to choose from, just depends whether or not you want to be VW specific. Painless brand is sold by V8 shops. The Watsons kit is damn good.
If you see Alan's second rebuild, he used the basic wiring but updated to modern fuses etc. I totally re-wired my bike purchasing utilix japanese style plugl/sockets and bought all the lengths of wire (to original colours) and such from www.vehiclewiringproducts.co.uk .

FWIW, After doing two '70 bugs and a lot on Klaus I plan to re-route a few wires and make sure circuits actually terminate with wire colours they start out with!

Utiliux sell (? at least they used to) a good selection of crimp on terminals and don't forget to invest in heat shrink
and sundries.

Have fun!
Ctefeh

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 4 Nov 2006, 5:36 pm

#552279

V Force had some wiring looms.

Dunno if they have any left

Can ask for you if you like

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 4 Nov 2006, 10:52 pm

#552396

Hi,
I have seen some RHD wiring looms for sale....
they may have been made in Australia....?
When You see what a VW wiring loom costs....
its very expensive....
but I rewired My Beetle, using all larger than original wires.
a few Large cables to take feed power to the dash and fuses...
I soldered all utilux clips and used heatshrink on them...
made New battery cables...

I have seen the odd receipt for wire I bought from DSE in Sydney... and heatshrink... metres of the stuff, all sizes.. wow that stuff is expensive...
and ALL the Utilux attachments aren't cheap either when You are using Heaps of them...

so, its NOT impossible to rewire a beetle....
either Your way, or Volkswagenwerks way....
or even a mixture of both....
Best to pick a wiring diagram to Use...
the USA wiring diagrams are different to Australia cars...
The European 1969-70 is a good wiring diagram...

MOST IMPORTANT....
Write down everything You do...
and label all the wires... You can pull the labels off later if You want to... I wrote some wire colors down, and labelled some.. and the others are now called --
they do something - but not sure what..!!!!!:P:P

they are connected to something but not sure what --?:P

every now and then... I check unknown wires and label them using masking tape...
naturally, I have a few spare wires that start at the front of the car....
and finish in the engine bay.... SPARES - Just in Case..

Overall, i probably used twice as many wires than VW originally did... and all larger wires than VW used...
If the car has been stripped - totally - its not difficult to feed them thru everywhere.
It is time consuming....

Best of Luck

Lee 68AutoBug

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Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag Officially Full-On Dubber

221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 7 Nov 2006, 11:42 am

#553131

car is to be stripped so the plan is to rewire completely...too many bad earths etc...and it is about time the birds nest messy crap was organised. So thanks for your help. Watson's is $350 US for the basic kit. And i thought that was good. I have some simple diagrams but not CAD type drawings, but they come with the kit, yes American but i figure I can adapt it since it has been done before. And thank Lee, the intention is to colour code, and definetly mark as i go.

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 7 Nov 2006, 7:11 pm

#553240

Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag wrote:. Watson's is $350 US for the basic kit.

OK - definitely contact Richard

I am 100% his were 1/2 that and Australian $$$

yes - US but apparently that just means shortening some wires.

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 7 Nov 2006, 8:28 pm

#553283

I want to get rid of the VW fuse box and install a more modern one with blade type fuses. Is it possible to buy a fuse 'block' with a couple of relay ports (headlights, indicators etc), or will I try a seond-hand one from a Jap car? I want to have it mounted high under the bonnet, not through the steel near the steering column

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ctefeh Wolfsburg Wizard

479 posts · joined Apr 2005 · 8 Nov 2006, 9:59 am

#553445

Vwcool,
I know Narva sell side entry blade fuse blocks, but not sure whether they have connectable relay blocks. Vehiclewiringproducts sell connectable fuse/relay boxes, but that is in the UK.
Got a large Repco shop handy? They might have a Narva cattledog you could look at.

Plucking one off a wreck is a good idea though!

Ctefeh

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221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 8 Nov 2006, 12:35 pm

#553481

Bizarre wrote:
Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag wrote:. Watson's is $350 US for the basic kit.
OK - definitely contact Richard

I am 100% his were 1/2 that and Australian $$$

yes - US but apparently that just means shortening some wires.

Ok who is Richard?

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speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 8 Nov 2006, 12:38 pm

#553482

Glenn I used a Painless Wiring System when I redid the Spyder. I priced all the wire etc to do my own loom but it worked out cheaper to use a complete system. It uses blade fuses and has relay bocks on the fuseboard. All wires are marked the complete length with the service. I give it an A+:thumb

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,785 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 8 Nov 2006, 1:25 pm

#553495

Sorry - forgot the detail 😂

Richard Holzl
0408 991 247 :P

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 8 Nov 2006, 1:59 pm

#553500

speedster356 wrote:Glenn I used a Painless Wiring System when I redid the Spyder. I priced all the wire etc to do my own loom but it worked out cheaper to use a complete system. It uses blade fuses and has relay bocks on the fuseboard. All wires are marked the complete length with the service. I give it an A+:thumb

I used a Painless system on a Holden several years ago and give it a B minus as it was missing most of the dash harness ( I was led to believe it was 'complete' so disposed of ALL the old harness) and teh fuse box didn't fit but I reckon a VW would be an easier, nicer install... will look into it!

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 8 Nov 2006, 3:03 pm

#553516

VWCOOL wrote:I want to get rid of the VW fuse box and install a more modern one with blade type fuses. Is it possible to buy a fuse 'block' with a couple of relay ports (headlights, indicators etc), or will I try a seond-hand one from a Jap car? I want to have it mounted high under the bonnet, not through the steel near the steering column

Hi

I'm planning to use a Camira blade type fuse & relay block on my 1303, the location of the stock 1303 fuse & relay block is horrible, so I'm going to move it under the bonnet and integrate it with the stock wiring harness. Apart from the terminal ends the harnesses don't really degrade that much unless they have been butchered and the VW coloured wiring system intelligent. For extra wiring at the rear of the car I will run some trailer wiring.

Steve

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 8 Nov 2006, 5:40 pm

#553578

yep the round-screen Bug fuse box position sux! I'll take a look at Camira stuff too, I want something that can be surface-mounted easily

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StenGuns Veteran Volks Folk

2,147 posts · joined Mar 2004 · 8 Nov 2006, 5:51 pm

#553581

Interesting!! I hope this thread finds the definitive kit.. Mine will need doing in Jan (fingers x'd)

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 8 Nov 2006, 9:48 pm

#553691

The big challenge will be something that is simple - I'm happy to transplant a complete harness (right out to the headlights etc) from a Brand X car, but it will need to intergate with beetle headlight and indicator switches etc as they can't be easily replaced

On Steve C's suggestiion I will take a look at Camira; non-EFI if possible

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Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag Officially Full-On Dubber

221 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 10 Nov 2006, 4:03 pm

#554066

Some possible leads....

Email from Richard Holz
Hi Hugh, I don't have a loom suitable for you, but try a couple of people in
Victoria, Vintage Wiring Looms 03 9870 0583, or email:
contact@vinwire.com.au or try Scotts Old Autorubber 03 9563 3023.
Failing that, try Heritage Parts in England. They advertise in Volksworld
Mag, inside the front cover. They would be your best bet for right hand
drive loom.
There is also a place in the US that does a generic fuse box kit that would
allow you to wire the car from the fuse box. Called Painless Wiring, look
for them through Google. We don't have a deal with any of these people. The
American product was $150 USD, looked like the go. Hope this info will help
you!
Cheers,

Richard Holzl

0408 99 1247
02 9743 1247

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