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Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#693958
Hi All,

Looking to fit a late gearbox into an Oval so need a late split screen Type 2 nose cone with the matching selector rod/hockey stick. VW part # 211.301.211 E.

Anyone got one lying around??

Cheers, Ian

lohoon Wolfsburg Wizard

466 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#693959
Ecuse my ignorance but is that a bus selector rod as well? And what gear box does this allow you to fit?

Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#693969
lohoon wrote:Ecuse my ignorance but is that a bus selector rod as well? And what gear box does this allow you to fit?
Yeah I need the matching bus selector rod aswell.

It will allow me to fit a late beetle gearbox (with the original nose cone swapped for the split screen type 2 unit) into an early beetle. Its more or less a bolt on conversion.

BUGBOY Moderator Chief Toy Dude / Head Cruiser

2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#693980
Depends on what year oval you have, not all boxes need a bus nose cone.
Ring some of the sponors of this forum as you can get this part new, they are cheap.
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#694331
BUGBOY wrote:Depends on what year oval you have, not all boxes need a bus nose cone.
Ring some of the sponors of this forum as you can get this part new, they are cheap.
Really, people are forging new ones?? I'm up for IRS-ing my 59 so need the nosecone too. Who does them? Thanks
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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694344
I'm up for IRS-ing my 59 so need the nosecone too. Who does them?
psimitar

if your going to fit a IRS gearbox and trailing arms suspension then you wont need a nose cone




Aussie

there were 2 different types of front gearbox mounts brought in the Ovals depenending on which mount you have is wether you need the Kombi nose cone or not
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#694419
vw54 wrote:
I'm up for IRS-ing my 59 so need the nosecone too. Who does them?
psimitar

if your going to fit a IRS gearbox and trailing arms suspension then you wont need a nose cone




Aussie

there were 2 different types of front gearbox mounts brought in the Ovals depenending on which mount you have is wether you need the Kombi nose cone or not
How can I tell which mount that I have? Is it dependant on the year of the car (mines a '56)? Are you saying that I may be able to bolt a later gearbox straight in??

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694427
take a pic of the front of the gear box and post on here theres a wrap around type mount anda bolt up type

they varied from model to model depending on what was in stock
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694428
it would be easier to remove the box and weld in a later style mount

rather than trying to find a hens teeth Kombi nose cone if you have the wrap around front mount
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#694520
vw54 wrote:take a pic of the front of the gear box and post on here theres a wrap around type mount anda bolt up type

they varied from model to model depending on what was in stock
I have taken some photo's and will post them below...




Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#694521
vw54 wrote:it would be easier to remove the box and weld in a later style mount

rather than trying to find a hens teeth Kombi nose cone if you have the wrap around front mount
Not willing to weld in a later mount....dont want to do anything to the car that isnt bolt in.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694586
Thats the later style mount not the wrap around

so a later gearbox 40hp tunnel type or 1500 swing axle will slip straight in

NO Kombi nose cone required
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#694602
vw54 wrote:Thats the later style mount not the wrap around

so a later gearbox 40hp tunnel type or 1500 swing axle will slip straight in

NO Kombi nose cone required
You have me thinking now Dave.....

My understanding was that all pre 1960 BUGS
needed the bus nose cone to make the later tunnel trans a bolt-in.
Other wise the shift rod will be too high, using the bug one.

The 1960 BUG has a different, "wrap around" mount as you say,
and will not bolt in without some fab/welding....unless you re use the bug wrap around mount??????? (testing memory)

Converting early buses is another story,
because some used a round rubber mount on the end of the nose cone snout,
but near the end of the 1950s, they used a conventional mount befor going to the tunnel trans.
They were the first to use the later tunnel type trans(1959, when bugs still had split case).

So perhaps some one can confirm or clear up what cars had what.
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Aussie Officially Full-On Dubber

296 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#694609
dangerous wrote:
vw54 wrote:Thats the later style mount not the wrap around

so a later gearbox 40hp tunnel type or 1500 swing axle will slip straight in

NO Kombi nose cone required
You have me thinking now Dave.....

My understanding was that all pre 1960 BUGS
needed the bus nose cone to make the later tunnel trans a bolt-in.
Other wise the shift rod will be too high, using the bug one.

The 1960 BUG has a different, "wrap around" mount as you say,
and will not bolt in without some fab/welding....unless you re use the bug wrap around mount??????? (testing memory)

Converting early buses is another story,
because some used a round rubber mount on the end of the nose cone snout,
but near the end of the 1950s, they used a conventional mount befor going to the tunnel trans.
They were the first to use the later tunnel type trans(1959, when bugs still had split case).

So perhaps some one can confirm or clear up what cars had what.
I was under the same understanding as you Dave. People that I have known who have done this conversion have always had to weld in a new mount, use a Split nose cone or used an adaptor which only allowed a solid mount.

BUGBOY Moderator Chief Toy Dude / Head Cruiser

2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694610
Later box will go straight in on that one.

The early mount on some early 56 and down have a wrap around type mount No2

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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694611
as far as i know and have tried you only need the Kombi nose cone with the wrap around front mount

I have fitted a few with the mount as per above its the same as the later style

as i said above theres dosent seem to be any logic to the wrap around mount they appear to be random in different year models up to when the tunnel gearbox came in
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

BUGBOY Moderator Chief Toy Dude / Head Cruiser

2,147 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#694612
The wrap around mount is listed to suit cars up to 59 , i've never seen them in cars over early 56 but i'm guessing other countries may have used them later.
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#697581
bump myself
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