Type 3 year differences..

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 12 Jun 2010, 5:09 pm

#784401

Hey guys.

Well looking into buying a type 3 atm and curious about a few things.

1st up is what year did they change the front indicators from the nice clear ones to the horrible orange ones ? iv put a pic below to show what im taking about... Iv seen 1971 models with the orange and 69s with the clear ?? Is this an accessories that can be fitted to a 71 ??

Also iv noticed the steering wheels looks different on a 71.. is there any other differences between say a 69 and a 71 ?? obviously they both have IRS but is there any other differences ???

Cheers Guys.

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 12 Jun 2010, 5:19 pm

#784404

Been comparing Pics and it seems the older ones have a different front bumper with 2 upright parts and the newer one has a rubber insurt... Are these changable ?? when did they come in ??

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 12 Jun 2010, 5:28 pm

#784410

vicelore wrote:Hey guys.

Well looking into buying a type 3 atm and curious about a few things.

1st up is what year did they change the front indicators from the nice clear ones to the horrible orange ones ? iv put a pic below to show what im taking about... Iv seen 1971 models with the orange and 69s with the clear ?? Is this an accessories that can be fitted to a 71 ??

Also iv noticed the steering wheels looks different on a 71.. is there any other differences between say a 69 and a 71 ?? obviously they both have IRS but is there any other differences ???

Cheers Guys.

Well, there a mixture of tail lamps and front blinkers on the early models as there were some imported type 3s in the early 60s..
there were the round front blinkers in AMBER or clear...
also wraparound front blinkers in AMBER and clear..

the Aussie made ones usually didn't have the over rider bumpers just stright bumpers..
the Fastbacks did have the over riders I believe...
whether imported or locally assembled..

the 1970 models [from memory] had the late larger tail lamps and the wrap around amber front blinkers..
they also had the Europa square type bumpers from 1970..
the front guards/fenders are also longer from 1970..

about 1973 they got the collapsible steering wheel..
which I have in My beetle...

I hope this helps... its all I can think of at the moment..

the rubber over riders or rubber inserts were not used on Australian models..
[the rubber insert over riders were an accessory]

LEE

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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 · 12 Jun 2010, 6:31 pm

#784436

don't forget the door hinges and bonnet springs oh and also the wipers, ventilator vent/water drainage.

70 and prior the wipers rested on the left side.
70 and prior the bonnet was sprung via torsion bar
70 and prior water drainage and ventilator vent was short and front fire wall was flat, hence the torsion bars.
71 and up wipers rested on right side and pivot points of the wiper arm are off set by a few inches.
71 and up bonnet was sprung via 2 long spring anchored to the inner guard.
71 and up ventilator was resesed (spelling??) further into the fire wall hence the hump and longer water drainage pan, which required the bonnet springs.
72 and up the door hinges changed from the slot in style to external welded on brackets.

oh also at and up of 71 the ash tray was thinner and more rectangular before that they are more square/boxy

gauges also changed in 72. I hate the early ones 👎 does any one have late gauges I can buy??

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

zocstar Officially Full-On Dubber

279 posts · joined May 2010 · 12 Jun 2010, 6:34 pm

#784440

What about the body? The bonnet is different, right, 70- on.
And did they change the length of the car somewhere along the line.

'69 Squareback

Klaus Custom Title Time!

1,439 posts · joined Aug 2004 · 12 Jun 2010, 6:53 pm

#784446

best way decide if you want early (slopy front nose) or late (pointy nose large tail lights) late type 3's are cheaper and rust more . The notch backs had the different hinges

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 12 Jun 2010, 8:07 pm

#784464

68AutoBug wrote:
vicelore wrote:Hey guys.

Well looking into buying a type 3 atm and curious about a few things.

1st up is what year did they change the front indicators from the nice clear ones to the horrible orange ones ? iv put a pic below to show what im taking about... Iv seen 1971 models with the orange and 69s with the clear ?? Is this an accessories that can be fitted to a 71 ??

Also iv noticed the steering wheels looks different on a 71.. is there any other differences between say a 69 and a 71 ?? obviously they both have IRS but is there any other differences ???

Cheers Guys.
Well, there a mixture of tail lamps and front blinkers on the early models as there were some imported type 3s in the early 60s..
there were the round front blinkers in AMBER or clear...
also wraparound front blinkers in AMBER and clear..

the Aussie made ones usually didn't have the over rider bumpers just stright bumpers..
the Fastbacks did have the over riders I believe...
whether imported or locally assembled..

the 1970 models [from memory] had the late larger tail lamps and the wrap around amber front blinkers..
they also had the Europa square type bumpers from 1970..
the front guards/fenders are also longer from 1970..

about 1973 they got the collapsible steering wheel..
which I have in My beetle...

I hope this helps... its all I can think of at the moment..

the rubber over riders or rubber inserts were not used on Australian models..
[the rubber insert over riders were an accessory]

LEE

You forgot to mention that the early models are that much better looking as well Lee!!😂😂😂

DH

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 · 12 Jun 2010, 8:25 pm

#784467

Klaus wrote:best way decide if you want early (slopy front nose) or late (pointy nose large tail lights) late type 3's are cheaper and rust more . The notch backs had the different hinges

yeah tell me about the rust.
I do like the late ones better, I like the looks more.

They rust more because of the seams, the seams were just left bare and rust from there.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

shaven Insano Dub Head

729 posts · joined Jul 2007 · 12 Jun 2010, 10:52 pm

#784486

Klaus wrote:late type 3's are cheaper and rust more .

haha... early are better... do you have one for me klaus? whats the avatar one?😘

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empi Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,131 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Jun 2010, 12:41 pm

#784540

Clear indicators tend to be a euro spec thing , type 3's built in Australia are a heap different to the rest of the world .
Andrew when you pop over i will go thru all the differences if u like.

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Jun 2010, 2:53 pm

#784550

Well Dallas
I did own a 71 variant for about 10 years, and travelled to QLD SA VIC and Western Australia in it..
they were a great car....

I really like the 69 models with the over riders etc...

although Your imported 1500S has over riders..

cheers

LEE

1500S wrote:
68AutoBug wrote:
vicelore wrote:Hey guys.

Well looking into buying a type 3 atm and curious about a few things.

1st up is what year did they change the front indicators from the nice clear ones to the horrible orange ones ? iv put a pic below to show what im taking about... Iv seen 1971 models with the orange and 69s with the clear ?? Is this an accessories that can be fitted to a 71 ??

Also iv noticed the steering wheels looks different on a 71.. is there any other differences between say a 69 and a 71 ?? obviously they both have IRS but is there any other differences ???

Cheers Guys.
Well, there a mixture of tail lamps and front blinkers on the early models as there were some imported type 3s in the early 60s..
there were the round front blinkers in AMBER or clear...
also wraparound front blinkers in AMBER and clear..

the Aussie made ones usually didn't have the over rider bumpers just stright bumpers..
the Fastbacks did have the over riders I believe...
whether imported or locally assembled..

the 1970 models [from memory] had the late larger tail lamps and the wrap around amber front blinkers..
they also had the Europa square type bumpers from 1970..
the front guards/fenders are also longer from 1970..

about 1973 they got the collapsible steering wheel..
which I have in My beetle...

I hope this helps... its all I can think of at the moment..

the rubber over riders or rubber inserts were not used on Australian models..
[the rubber insert over riders were an accessory]

LEE
You forgot to mention that the early models are that much better looking as well Lee!!😂😂😂

DH

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vdubin Commited Dubber

51 posts · joined Jun 2010 · 13 Jun 2010, 6:07 pm

#784582

Get an early way better looking .

VITS 2016
watch this space

Klaus Custom Title Time!

1,439 posts · joined Aug 2004 · 13 Jun 2010, 7:17 pm

#784594

matty that has long gone rusted out big time and was a late fasty, I do know of a 71 fastback for sale very nice for the $$$ 3.5-4000 regoed

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 17 Jun 2010, 6:49 pm

#785421

Can anyone let me know what the differences are with a imported and Aus assembled one ? Pros and Cons ??

I take it all the panels/engine was all actually made in Germany then just assembled in Aus ?

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 17 Jun 2010, 8:58 pm

#785449

Are the Fully imported VWs worth more ?? more desirable ??

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 17 Jun 2010, 9:33 pm

#785459

Pre 1964 were fully imported, both Notch and Variant, with different interior trim and steering column than the 1964 on OZ assembled ones. Exterior the imported ones lacked the side chrome trim but had the overriders on bumpers as previously mentioned by someone. Imported 1964-65 Notches retained the extra inside trim plus a bit as well as having more shiny bits on the outside than the OZ built ones.

Are they worth more? ........... that depends on availability and the willingness of the buyer to pay the asking price.
Are they more desirable? ........ that depends on personal likes of different models

If you want the S version Notch from 1965 in OZ, just get any 1965 and I'll sell you an S badge for the numberplate housing as that was generally the only difference between the N and S except for the twin carbs.

If you want an imported 1964-1965 Notch or Variant S then that's another story! I've seen 4 for sale in the last 14 years. One sea blue a year or so back in Vic on fleabay... that one is now in Adelaide but not being restored to original, another one on maybe The Samba but was in Melbourne and was complete as far as I can remember, another one was rusting quietly away on a farm at Young and lastly, one at Eddy Laing's yard at Barnawartha which was complete in most areas including original engine. That one cost me around $2000 in 1999. I would think you would pay at least that much for anything imported which is worth restoring, remembering that much of the internal trim is getting very hard to find. Pushbutton light switches are almost non existent. I paid $250 for a NOS switch mid 90s and spent the next 4 years looking for a car to put it in! Expect to pay at least that for a good second hand one now. Ignition switch/steering lock for these models will also set you back $250 NOS or about the same for a non locking one from ISP West. Second hand ones can be a headache and may need to be rebuilt somehow with bits from other switches.

Hope that helps with my version of thoughts on early Type 3s.

DH

empi Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,131 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 18 Jun 2010, 12:00 am

#785472

The imported 1500s variencies are small , different indicators , short moustache on the bonnet, 45 degree angle cut on the edge of the body chrome rather than the 90 degree cut on the aussie spec and all standard models, various fabric interiors, rear seat with pulldown arm rest, option of two tone roof and i think the speedo was slightly different.

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vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 18 Jun 2010, 7:17 am

#785478

Thanks for the info guys..

Just wondering 1500s. Is this the 5th youv seen for sale ?? says its a german import ??

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8363563&__sid=1261CF345E36&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=834%201216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294962746%204294966306&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=4&silo=1011

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 18 Jun 2010, 9:39 am

#785495

vicelore wrote:Thanks for the info guys..

Just wondering 1500s. Is this the 5th youv seen for sale ?? says its a german import ??

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8363563&__sid=1261CF345E36&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Price_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=834%201216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294962746%204294966306&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=4&silo=1011

Cheers Vice

Not this one. The one I saw was white and was based in Melbourne.

The one in this add is definitely an Australian assembled 1965 1500S. That is, unless someone has stripped every single bit of the imported trim from both inside and outside! The only things the Australian produced S shared was (a) "S" on numberplate housing, (b) twin carb but standard 7.8:1 compression ratio engine. Most imported S engines had the dome top piston 8.5:1 compression ratio engine. (c) choice of two tone paint but imported S cars had different paint cutoff lines on turret to the Australian ones and (d) wheel trims.

All this said, the price he is asking would be more than reasonable if it has a good rust free body and low km engine. If not, and you can't do most of the restoration yourself they can be a money pit as many will agree on!

DH

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 18 Jun 2010, 9:44 am

#785497

Geez shark nose type3s get no love

what have people got against fatchicks?
they haven't got the early looks but they make up for it in refined brakes, suspension and electrics

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 18 Jun 2010, 10:21 am

#785504

Good to hear that that is a Aussie assembeled. And that they fully imported ones are virtually no existant in Aus as i might of been waiting 10 years for one..

Can you link me a Pic of the differences in trim/Interior if you know of any ??

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

Notchbacktastic Seriously Crusin Dubber

169 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 19 Jun 2010, 8:20 am

#785677

Joel wrote:Geez shark nose type3s get no love

what have people got against fatchicks?
they haven't got the early looks but they make up for it in refined brakes, suspension and electrics

Pay that!...😂

Ain't been there, ain't done that.......yet :P

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 · 19 Jun 2010, 10:24 am

#785693

+1 😁

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

vicelore Officially Full-On Dubber

254 posts · joined Feb 2010 · 22 Jun 2010, 7:06 pm

#786353

Hey 1500s.

How hard are say 67-69 fully imported notches to come accross ?? they really hard like the 64-65 ??

Cheers Vice

Currently driving my 1st VW.. 67 type 3 1600..And loving it..

1500S Custom Title Time!

1,418 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 22 Jun 2010, 7:24 pm

#786358

vicelore wrote:Hey 1500s.

How hard are say 67-69 fully imported notches to come accross ?? they really hard like the 64-65 ??

Cheers Vice

Most likely very hard as I don't think many or any Notches were imported in those years except maybe 1969. Phil Matthews history http://www.clubvw.org.au/Australian%20VW%20history%203.htm gives Notch and Square being local manufacture from 66 to ?? and only the Fasty was imported to replace the discontinued 1500S.

DH