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 nomis
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 09:09 AM |
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SR20?
i see that alot of people put the EJ20 in there beetles has anyone put in an SR20? also what sort of room would be left after putting the EJ20 in
would there be enough room to use the twin turbo set up from a EJ20TT ??
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 09:30 AM |
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Not much room left iva late all early vw.Using twin turbos no need you will have enought horses to unleash fron the rear from single.Most quick
subies in Aust use only one eg. Rigoli boys. My subie motor has one turbo and doesnt run any Sti running gear and has 300hps with just IHI TD05 turbo.
SR20 mmmmm?JVLRacing
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 12:57 PM |
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SR20 is an inline 4 so you won't be able to fit it in a beetle length wise.
It'd probably fit in a kombi or possibly type 3 though.
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 02:43 PM |
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yeah i didnt think of the way the motor runs i think i will go the EJ20T in a beetle
(havnet got one yet but doing research on my next project hot rod VW :party)
witch would be the best beetle to look for to fit it in the easyest or are they mostly the same?
thanks for the helps fella's
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 03:21 PM |
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It might depend on whether or not you move the gearbox. I did think about this conversion, but decided against it for a few reasons. First off,
weight. It is an alloy block, but it is still quite heavy. Second was the length. Third was the fact that they're very torquey motors and would
probably kill built gearboxes fairly quickly.
A CA18 might be a better choice, maybe even an E15ET.
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| posted on December 13th, 2004 at 03:28 PM |
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im just looking at all the facts at the moment...i want to build a hot rod style beetle and as a hot rod it needs a power full motor and i myself are
a 4cyl guy im lookin at a turbo motor i would prefer a 2l over anything else
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| posted on December 14th, 2004 at 09:06 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
SR20 is an inline 4 so you won't be able to fit it in a beetle length wise.
i put a golf motor in my beetle!! no real drama fitting it
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| posted on December 14th, 2004 at 09:09 PM |
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posted by nomis
im just looking at all the facts at the moment...i want to build a hot rod style beetle and as a hot rod it needs a power full motor and i myself are
a 4cyl guy im lookin at a turbo motor i would prefer a 2l over anything else
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2lt turbo............then go with the subie option
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| posted on December 15th, 2004 at 10:12 AM |
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posted by vwrallycar
i put a golf motor in my beetle!! no real drama fitting it
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I'm quite sure the DOHC SR20 is a longer and bigger motor than the little VW golf motor. When I've looked at my brothers SR20DET there didn't seem
like there was any way it would fit in the back of a beetle, and certainly not under the decklid.
I could be wrong of course.
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| posted on December 16th, 2004 at 04:28 PM |
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i dont know either Wes if the SR20 motor will fit, but anythings possible
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| posted on January 24th, 2005 at 10:30 PM |
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posted by Biggus
It might depend on whether or not you move the gearbox. I did think about this conversion, but decided against it for a few reasons. First off,
weight. It is an alloy block, but it is still quite heavy. Second was the length. Third was the fact that they're very torquey motors and would
probably kill built gearboxes fairly quickly.
A CA18 might be a better choice, maybe even an E15ET.
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No offense but what have you been smoking to reccomend a ca18 over the mighty sr20!. CA18 is so primitive compared to the sr... just ask anyone who
has a s13 or other car that comes with ca or sr and i bet not one would reccomd the ca! its a heap of junk
[Edited on 24/1/05 by Davecho]
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 01:53 PM |
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Have a look at the Volks Swap forum http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions - there are guys over in Europe that run inline fours in their bugs - like
4AGE's, 4AGZE etc.
Will post a photo after lunch - gotta go.
No mention of SR20 on that page though ?
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 03:10 PM |
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try this one,
http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions-viewthread?forum=7&thread=13
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 03:19 PM |
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4AGE engined bug
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 03:20 PM |
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 05:58 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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No offense but what have you been smoking to reccomend a ca18 over the mighty sr20!. CA18 is so primitive compared to the sr... just ask anyone who
has a s13 or other car that comes with ca or sr and i bet not one would reccomd the ca! its a heap of junk
[Edited on 24/1/05 by Davecho]
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Funny you mention that, actually. We've got two S13s in our family, a lightly modded CA18DET and a slightly more modded SR20DET. Good bolt on stuff
tends to result in higher output for the SR, but until recently the fastest S13 drag cars in Japan used CAs. Running into the 10s on street tires was
much cheaper with the CA18. Combination of superior valvetrain and cast iron bottom end. In comparison, the SR really dislikes revving, has a
notoriously weak valvetrain, and a slightly weaker alloy block (haven't heard of many failing though).
To call the CA "junk" is to also call the entire RB series "junk". They share the same design and construction, varying only in the number of
cylinders and the capacity. You're not about to start telling the GTR guys that they've been using crap engines all these years (and getting into
the 9s on street tyres), are you?
I'm not bagging the SR at all. I like it, and and have enjoyed driving all the SR cars I've come across. It is a great engine, and responds really
well to mods. But it is not true that it is a more advanced engine. It is a *cheaper* engine to produce. That is why Nissan went to it in 1991. It
produces a great amount of torque for a 2L motor. It is well designed for its intended purpose. The CA was better designed, but more expensive.
Given an extra few cc's, and a T25G, and it would have been everything the SR is, but more willing to rev.
In the S13, the main reason the SR produced more power as standard was the turbo. When I stuck the SR turbo on the CA, the difference between it and
a stock SR20 S13 were fairly minor. A little torque from the higher capacity SR was the only thing in its favour in a straight line.
If I were buying another S13 today, I'd be more interested in condition than engine type. They're both great engines.
My recommendation was on the basis of it being slightly smaller than the SR20, and therefore maybe a better proposition for bolting into a bug.
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 07:15 PM |
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A friend here has an sr20det in her yes her datto 1200 pulling well over 300hp @ wheels now that would be fun in a beetle or buggy,, wahoo!!!!
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 10:23 PM |
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the toyota looks like a good fit , how about a 1.8 turbo donk ? they fly
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| posted on January 26th, 2005 at 10:01 AM |
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Looking at the pic of the 4AGE bug with the engine lid open it looks like there is no way you'd get the engine lid to close. But it does!
I guess the curved VW engine lid is very deceptive. I wouldn't go for a 4AGE though. Sure they rev well and make ok HP, but they don't do much below
3,500rpm. At least not the ones I've driven.
The supercharged 4agze's were much better, giving it that much needed torque. My friend had a 4agze sprinter with an overdriven supercharger. He
later pulled the motor and put a CA18DET in it. The CA18DET was faster, but the turbo lag was shocking. I liked it better when it had the 4AGZE.
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| posted on January 26th, 2005 at 11:16 AM |
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Wes come to Perth I give you a drive of my Toyota !
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| posted on January 26th, 2005 at 01:06 PM |
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Hey Wes,
I don't think that decklid is entirely stock. I vaguely recall seeing the South African owner of it saying that he'd modified the decklid by
cutting it and going over the hole with a fibreglass bump, which the spoiler is attached to.
Still, it looks pretty neat. I don't like the spoiler or the tail lights, but it'd be a lot of fun to drive. You can get a hell of a lot of power
out of those little things with good cams.
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| posted on January 27th, 2005 at 10:58 AM |
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CA18 also has the most bulletproof bottom end, thanks largely to a crank girdle as stock equipment...... Now thats something you dont see in a
shopping trolley engine !
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| posted on January 27th, 2005 at 08:08 PM |
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Pistons and rods aren't quite as good though, Doug. After you get up to around 160kw at the rears, most CAs are on borrowed time. That said, I'd
prefer to be building a stronger bottom end on a CA than working on the top end of an SR. Big $$$.
Would love to see either motor in a beetle though. I'd be interested in the humble E15ET in one too.
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 10:24 AM |
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As some S13 gurus say - CA, SR, RB. Crap As, Seriously Rad, Really Bad.
I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion, as does anything. For when I was buying an S13 everybody told me to avoid CA like the plague.
From my experience and that of my friends, I personally wouldn't touch anything other then an SR. I believe in this engine so much and have seen
it's unlimited potential. These days the CA isn't even SR's biggest competitor it's that RB-freaking-20 and just the sound of it is enough to
make me sick. IT is the worst nissan engine ever produced and noone will convince me otherwise. To put that shite into an S13, or anything other
then the POS skyline it belongs in is brain damage.
Anyway, back to the point..Alot of people like CA's and I don't think they are bad, but give me an SR20DET anyday. :thumb
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 12:09 PM |
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Ummm, I dont mean to start another argument, but why the hell would you say that any RB series motor is crap ?
Even the dodgy 'Australianised' RB30ET can make serious power without massive mods. Not alot of engines you can get to run nines in a full steel
bodied car and still have standard crank in the block (Nizpro guys over east from memory, its a yellow VL).
No one could complain about the RB26DETT, not with such a cult following in Japan.
RB25DET is a good source for twin cam heads to put on your RB30, but not alot of people seem to use them otherwise.
I always thought people didnt use the RB20 due to it being a 2 liter and harder to fit (2 cyl longer) than the SR / CA options ?
Personally I reckon an RB engined silvia would be an absolute hoot - if you can fit an RB20, you can fit an RB30 with RB25 twin cam conversion and
nice big single turbo - who wouldnt enjoy driving a 3 liter silvia ?
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 02:01 PM |
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Thanks Rice_Girl. I'll go and have a chat to all the guys in Japan who have been running 10s for the last decade with CAs, and let them know that
you think they're choice of engine is crap, and then I'll have a chat to the S13/RB conversion guys in the 9s *on street tyres*, and tell them the
same thing. You're really doing us all a big service. Thanks.
S13 "gurus" are a dime a dozen. Everyone who has been for a 10 minute drive in one these days claims to know everything about them.
SR20 and unlimited potential? Sure, but to get into the 10s with an SR will cost significantly more than the CA. As I said, the SR is hampered by a
weak valvetrain. The CA doesn't have this problem. Both have bottom ends that are going to go "bang" at some stage. It happens a bit sooner with
the CA, sure, but it happens to SRs too. In a big chase for power, you're going to be rebuilding regardless of what engine you've chosen.
How can you say that you "don't think they're bad" after saying you'd "avoid CA like the plague"? And whats the problem with the RB series? I
wouldn't put one in an S13 because of the weight, but they're genuinely good engines.
Come on, give me some reasons why the CA is crap? Not just "some dude on the nissansilvia.com forums told me they're weak", give me supported
facts.
Doug, there are quite a few S13s getting around with RB20s, and a number with RB25s. The weight difference makes them pretty ordinary to drive
without some serious suspension mods, but they go hard and are good drifters. I don't remember seeing any RB30s, but yes, it should be doable.
S13-15 and R32s share a lot of similarities in their floorpans. A lot of parts are interchangeable.
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 02:07 PM |
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I think, compared to anything VW has to offer, any of the engines mentioned above (with maybe the exception of the E15DET) would be enough to take
your breath away if mounted in a beetle. As for the RB series motors, I have recently thought it would be cool to mount a RB30DET in a kombi with an
auto and a 4wd transfere box. An open wheeler diff up front and an LSD supra diff (or similar up the back). Can you imagine a turbo 4WD Kombi?
Wouldn't be that hard to do. Dump it and give the WRX drivers a shock. :thumb
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 02:31 PM |
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Pete, thats E15ET - no "D"... Single cam!
Still be fun! Like shaving the hair off a Barbie Doll. Not the best thing to do with your time, but still amusing.
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Pete, thats E15ET - no "D"... Single cam!
Still be fun! Like shaving the hair off a Barbie Doll. Not the best thing to do with your time, but still amusing.
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Sorry Biggass, is that how you spell ya name, he he he :P
BTW, keep your freak sicko barbie doll lovin ways away from me! 
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| posted on February 1st, 2005 at 02:43 PM |
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ROFL !! gotta remember that one....
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