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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:56 AM |
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Yeah, I can't see the point of nitrous. Where's the fun of it if you can't give it a squirt at every set of lights without having to refill
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i used to run a 150hp shot on my vz storm ute and although it would be used almost every day, i used to get roughly just over a month out of a bottle
and sometimes more, just depending on how long u held the button down... (10lb bottle) so i was happy with how long it lasted, only buzz kill was if u
went to use it and it was empty 
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:57 AM |
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If you ever saw Dave Butlers supercharged VW drag car you'll know how awesome a supercharged flat 4 can sound.
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or check out "the twins" from CBB
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 09:02 AM |
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If you ever saw Dave Butlers supercharged VW drag car you'll know how awesome a supercharged flat 4 can sound.
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or check out "the twins" from CBB
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or even mikes old car cranky
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 09:36 AM |
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I don't really see how comparing golfs/jettas/4agze to an aircooled motor is relevant. The characteristics of the engines are completely different.
all those straight fors are revy where an aircooled motor is more like a truck engine with low down torque but no top end. Check what stanley said
about his cheap turboed 1600. added to that, if you could afford an ECU and an intercooler, you have a great reliable setup with excellent
drivability.
what are you actually using the car for? I reckon that's the key question.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 10:38 AM |
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what are you actually using the car for? I reckon that's the key question.
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and of course your budget
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 02:28 PM |
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It's relevant because it illustrates how the VW company - with a lot more engineering expertise and $$ than you or me - applies modern technology to
certain situations to gain certain results. You observe what they do and draw your own conclusions. The point I made, was that VW applies
turbocharging to GTI engines, but twin-charging to other petrol engines. The result speaks for itself - the base Golf 90TSI (turbo only) 1.4-litre
produces 200 Nm torque from 1500-4000 rpm, while the same engine in the 118TSI produces 240 Nm from 1750 to 4500 rpm using a supercharger/turbocharger
combination.
Yes VW air-cooled engines have good low-rpm torque characteristics (for their day), but that's a result of their design parameters - for maximum
economy, low rpm and long life - not their air-cooling. Other air-cooled motors can indeed be revvy - look at a Porsche Super 90 for example.
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Worse than that if you're the person on the other end. The stupid cow that I used to live across the road from had an accident in her car. She didnt
believe in insurance, and she actually did find it funny. She was unemployed and had to pay back something stupid like $5 or 10 per week. That was
some time ago, maybe the minimum payments have been increased now, but still. $10 week would barely cover the cost of a return train ticket.
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 02:23 PM |
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definately go NOS. ill be putting a 50hp shot of NOS on
my engine when its done, just so i can enjoy driving
my engine everyday. and only using the NOS at the track.
its only illegal if the bottle is conected. the bottle can be in
the car as long as its not connected. i say go NOS.. you
know you want to. be different..
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Why cant you run a turbo everyday? I did. I drove to work and back every day. On saturday I went to coonabarabran and picked up a fastback, towed it
home. On Sunday I went hillclimbing. It may not be of concern , but you cant do any racing other than drag racing with nitrous.
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 09:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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your pay, every pay, until it is all paid back. Nothing funny about it.
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Worse than that if you're the person on the other end. The stupid cow that I used to live across the road from had an accident in her car. She didnt
believe in insurance, and she actually did find it funny. She was unemployed and had to pay back something stupid like $5 or 10 per week. That was
some time ago, maybe the minimum payments have been increased now, but still. $10 week would barely cover the cost of a return train ticket.
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My point exactly - If you have nothing - they can't take it from you.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 09:27 AM |
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Why cant you run a turbo everyday? I did. I drove to work and back every day. On saturday I went to coonabarabran and picked up a fastback, towed it
home. On Sunday I went hillclimbing. It may not be of concern , but you cant do any racing other than drag racing with nitrous.
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I'd listen to the voice of experience mate. But also, don't build a drag grenade, build a street motor.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 01:24 PM |
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nitrous is banned in the rules for pretty much every form of motorsport that i know of so that leads me to belive that if it wasn't specifically
banned it would be used.The reason that drag racing engines may get a bad rap is that they allways are chasing maximum power and your going to find
the weak linka lot eairler than other forms of motorsport.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 05:06 PM |
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nothing wrong with drag motors, but they aren't subject to the sort of long term conditions or driving style that street motors are. a monsta turbo
is great on the strip but terrible in traffic. hence my qu before, what are you using the motor for? I wish I'd ask myself that question a lot more
when building my car. 
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by T-34
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posted by amazeer
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your pay, every pay, until it is all paid back. Nothing funny about it.
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Worse than that if you're the person on the other end. The stupid cow that I used to live across the road from had an accident in her car. She didnt
believe in insurance, and she actually did find it funny. She was unemployed and had to pay back something stupid like $5 or 10 per week. That was
some time ago, maybe the minimum payments have been increased now, but still. $10 week would barely cover the cost of a return train ticket.
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My point exactly - If you have nothing - they can't take it from you.
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I'll assume you are joking and arent completely self absorbed.
Nitrous is banned from most motorsport and the street because of the risk during fires. If fuel fires arent bad enough, you really wouldnt want to be
feeding a shitload of oxygen into it as well.
I had another thought on my commute today. At either end of Wollongong there is a big ass mountain to leave town. At the southern end is Macquarie
Pass which is a winding road that takes maybe 15-20 minutes to climb. You are off and on the throttle the whole time. Do you keep flicking the nitrous
switch or just forget about it and use the accelerator? The other end is Mt Ousley which eventually connects with the F6 to Sydney. Would you have the
nitrous button flicked for 15-20 minutes? What about the hills on the F3? I've confirmed to myself that a shot of nitrous is pretty useless for
anything other than drag racing.
 
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| posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 07:43 AM |
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NOS is primarily used for wank value by people on the street. The P platers even like to install CO2 kits that make it look like they have a NOS
purge.
If you really want reliable every day fast, then sell your car and buy a bike. Buy a Suzuki B-King for $19k and run 9.9s 1/4 miles completely
standard.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 08:26 AM |
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How you can have ricers beating 400ci V8s in street drags in 2 Fast n 2 Furious without nitrous???
I agree Chris, especially since Mt Ousley has an 80 km/h limit and a speed camera half way up anyway. And Macquarie Pass is a nice drive but clogged
with day trippers in their Camrys.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 09:30 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by amazeer
| Quote: | Originally
posted by T-34
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posted by amazeer
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your pay, every pay, until it is all paid back. Nothing funny about it.
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Worse than that if you're the person on the other end. The stupid cow that I used to live across the road from had an accident in her car. She didnt
believe in insurance, and she actually did find it funny. She was unemployed and had to pay back something stupid like $5 or 10 per week. That was
some time ago, maybe the minimum payments have been increased now, but still. $10 week would barely cover the cost of a return train ticket.
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My point exactly - If you have nothing - they can't take it from you.
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I'll assume you are joking and arent completely self absorbed.
Nitrous is banned from most motorsport and the street because of the risk during fires. If fuel fires arent bad enough, you really wouldnt want to be
feeding a shitload of oxygen into it as well.
I had another thought on my commute today. At either end of Wollongong there is a big ass mountain to leave town. At the southern end is Macquarie
Pass which is a winding road that takes maybe 15-20 minutes to climb. You are off and on the throttle the whole time. Do you keep flicking the nitrous
switch or just forget about it and use the accelerator? The other end is Mt Ousley which eventually connects with the F6 to Sydney. Would you have the
nitrous button flicked for 15-20 minutes? What about the hills on the F3? I've confirmed to myself that a shot of nitrous is pretty useless for
anything other than drag racing.
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you would only use nitrous for drag racing, obviously to run nitrous in the first place u would need to have a very stout motor (if ur doing it
properly that is) so therefore hills and things of that nature are not any problem, all you would use the nitrous for is that few second boost to give
u the edge over the competition. as for street use, unfortunately the majority of people running it are tossers and only use it for the wank factor. i
ran it on my street car and i took the risk, but i didnt run around purging it and showing it off.... even the setup in the engine bay was hidden, the
shock factor when u blew away somebody in a boxter or mildly tuned rice burner was brilliant.
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there is an 80k limit on Ousley itself, and then theres the other hills over the back that are 100. They are all pretty steep hills. One of them
probably use 70% throttle in a 4 litre falcon to simply maintain 100kmh. The question probably doesnt involve a kombi but the scenario is the same. If
you have a 2 litre kombi you dont have any chance of doing these hills in top gear. You could do them in third and rev the guts out of your engine. Or
you drop down to 80km and cruise up doing 20kmh less than the speed limit in third. Alternatively you can fit a small turbo to your internally
standard 2 litre kombi and effortlessly cruise up the hill in 4th gear with about 4psi boost.
I've been doing the daily commute up Macquarie for the last week. I've got sore kidneys from my mate's seat bashing me around the corners. You just
need to go up on a weekday Phil, not a Sunday.
There's plenty of shock factor in not being able to pass a kombi going up a hill. Not that you should speed up to stop someone passing you if you are
holding them up. But for whatever reason most people in other cars seem to want to be in front of a VW no matter what speed its doing and then slow
back to your speed or less once past.
If we're not worried about the car being streetable then it doesnt really matter what method of supercharging you use, either mechanical or chemical.
All of them will work. Use them together. Use nitrous injected straight into the the compressor housing. Use the shot to spool the turbo. Not sure why
you would use the small 1776 engine to start with though.
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anyone can throw cubes at it and make power, which i will eventually do, but for the time being, i have set myself a little challenge of seeing how
much power i can get out of the little 1776. even now with stock heads and in need of the 2nd dyno tune (only a brand new engine) its putting out
74.6hp at the wheels which is more than some ppl i know are putting out with a 1916... not mentioning any names..... im hoping with another run on the
dyno, ill crack 80's. hoping to have the bigger heads, counterweight crank and h-beam rods in for warwick, then when we get back ill be looking at
the induction side of it.
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Ask Daimo about his dyno figures for his 1776. Cost alot of dosh to get to that stage! (NA)
Dyno figures are ok, 1/4 mile times are a better indicator.
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Ask Daimo about his dyno figures for his 1776. Cost alot of dosh to get to that stage! (NA)
Dyno figures are ok, 1/4 mile times are a better indicator.
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yeah i havent run it down the 1/4 yet, so i dont know what to even shoot for, im just waiting till i get another dyno tune done (only got 1200-ish
miles on it since i built it) and then ill take it out.... hopefully a couple of weeks...... wanna get alot of runs to get used to the car and see
what it responds to the best before warwick. Im not expecting any low ET's for the moment, but i did enjoy the look on a guys face when i torched him
off the lights on the way back from the nationals he had a VE SV6 and although iv been a holden man from day one, i didnt
seem to have any conflicting feelings about just beating one in a VW
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Just curious, but where would you run the 1/4 mile now? Aren't the Warwick and Portland drags 1/8 mile, like Oran Park once was?
Or does WSID do street car drags?
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wsid does street drags every wed night and sometimes fridays too.... other then that there is bracket racing almost every weekend (atleast there used
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