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Type3 Front Seat Adjuster Cams - CNC Milled


After not being able to incline the drivers seat went on the search for seat adjuster cams and came up a blank.

Went on the hunt and found someone willing to try 3D Printing of them so here's what we came up with - this is the protype in plastic but they will be printed in steel.

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posted on November 18th, 2016 at 06:47 AM



3D Printed on right side -


Original Cam on left side -

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posted on November 21st, 2016 at 10:43 PM



Looks great, does it seem like it would work ok?

Maybe they can include the VW logo and part no?
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posted on November 22nd, 2016 at 05:33 PM



Works fine - springs that hold the bar ar not in place on this seat so would be better operation if they were.

Posted the pics so people could it on a seat after testing.

There is NO VW part no. On the original - check out the black one it was a No, VW insignia, No then R or L for left or right.

Do you know the part number ?????




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posted on November 23rd, 2016 at 02:55 AM



They look good Bert. I'll be up for 2 sets if the price is not too high.



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posted on November 23rd, 2016 at 12:45 PM



I just mean to include the logo etc as is on the original one there.

I'll take a set too. My seat will not come far enough upright as it is now.
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posted on November 23rd, 2016 at 01:09 PM



Ok guys so Terry for you 2 sets (2 pairs) and the pair I need ..... Cruiser is it just 1 pair (1 set) you want - 3D printing may turn out a little more expensive than 1st thought so looking @ CNC Milling which hopefully will be cheaper and also casting in aluminium.

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posted on November 23rd, 2016 at 09:13 PM



I may be interested in a pair for my daughter's '73 Fastie.

I will keep following the thread, and thanks.
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posted on November 24th, 2016 at 05:54 AM



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posted on November 24th, 2016 at 06:14 AM



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I may be interested in a pair for my daughter's '73 Fastie.

I will keep following the thread, and thanks.


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posted on December 7th, 2016 at 01:32 PM



Bit of an update ...... conversed with the friend doing this and he feels CNCing can work out cheaper if "internals" can changed thus reducing time to mill and here's some pictures to show what changes -

Original style design with "internals" for CNCing -

Amended style to remove internals - all other specifications remain the same - I'm leaning towards this as you do not see the cams once installed & functionality will not alter AND costs savings which everyone is after :tu:

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Ok with me, just as long as they work well.
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posted on December 8th, 2016 at 08:09 PM



Do you know if this part was unchanged from the start to the end of Type III production or were there changes throughout the years?
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posted on December 9th, 2016 at 01:02 PM



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Ok with me, just as long as they work well.


Can't see why they won't as measurements will be the same and checked - hole diameter for rod and roll pins are possibly most important to ensure fitment.




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Do you know if this part was unchanged from the start to the end of Type III production or were there changes throughout the years?


I have no real idea on that but expect no changes made my '72 has high back seats and wrecked seat I have is also high backed ...... essentially if your seat has the large black knob to adjust seat incline/recliine then should be no problems.

If your seat is out check it out or try to get pictures of cmas on both side of seat and compare ...... I can post up some pics of cams and measurement on digital calipers BUT will vary seat to seat and cam to cam owing to wear factor.




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posted on December 9th, 2016 at 01:12 PM



Here's some pictures with measurements - design of protoype and 3D Printing of it provided for wear and thus is fractionally larger but installed worked fine.

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posted on December 9th, 2016 at 01:15 PM



I had actually thought the wrecked seat I got had good cams from a couple of photo's provided to me but once removed they had excessive wear on the shaft that goes through the backrest as you can see (just as likely to fail when swapped over to my drivers seat = I'm back to square one.

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posted on December 11th, 2016 at 06:29 PM



I'm happy either way Bert. Looks like there could be a few sets to send SA. Didn't think about it at Volksfest but will mention it around at DOTVW in the new year. Do late Beetle seats have a similar setup?



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posted on December 11th, 2016 at 08:46 PM



I'd be interested in a set as well



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I'm happy either way Bert. Looks like there could be a few sets to send SA. Didn't think about it at Volksfest but will mention it around at DOTVW in the new year. Do late Beetle seats have a similar setup?


Sorry Terry but can't answer the question re late Beetle seats ...... off the top though I'd say no but haven't a seat to reference or picture of one - what year you talking ????




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I'd be interested in a set as well


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Hi guys, and thanks to Bert who is running this thread. I'm spending enough time rejigging designs and chasing quotes to make this happen without chasing numbers and "selling" the idea.
A quick heads up, the design is in at the CNC mob now and they are working on a quote, I will have to get some commited numbers on this project though. I understand that its a bit hard without having a $$$ figure, bit ball park estimates are $75-100 for a pair (enough to do one seat)
Of course the more we get the better the end price will be and even I will be purchasing a pair for display/stock purposes. I have currently ask for a quote on 10 pairs (enough for five 5 cars)

Who else is happy with this figure? Remember we do need solid numbers not pie in the sky maybes.




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posted on December 13th, 2016 at 12:53 PM



I'll be in Nils.
Late model beetles with highbacks I was thinking Bert. My 74 Super had Gemini seats in it when I got it. so not sure what VW ones are like.




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Hi guys, and thanks to Bert who is running this thread. I'm spending enough time rejigging designs and chasing quotes to make this happen without chasing numbers and "selling" the idea.
A quick heads up, the design is in at the CNC mob now and they are working on a quote, I will have to get some commited numbers on this project though. I understand that its a bit hard without having a $$$ figure, bit ball park estimates are $75-100 for a pair (enough to do one seat)
Of course the more we get the better the end price will be and even I will be purchasing a pair for display/stock purposes. I have currently ask for a quote on 10 pairs (enough for five 5 cars)

Who else is happy with this figure? Remember we do need solid numbers not pie in the sky maybes.


Nils, thanks for providing this update as am sure others will be also.

Bit further on pricing following discussion with Nils is that based on a quantity of 10 pairs the price will be $160.00 per seat so cheaper than 3D printing but not by much.

I don't do facebook so does anyone interested do it - WHY ..... well there is group called Type 3 Contingent based in Melbourne Vic. and they may know of more interested parties - they did have a thread on The Samba ( https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5624383 ) but have since moved to fb https://www.facebook.com/type3/ 
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posted on December 15th, 2016 at 07:51 PM



I was a bit shocked at the price, double what I was expecting really.

Sent the contingent boys a message on facebook and have requested a quote from china manufacturing aswell, guess we sit and wait.




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posted on December 15th, 2016 at 09:15 PM



Still interested but will wait to see what you come back with
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I was a bit shocked at the price, double what I was expecting really.

Sent the contingent boys a message on facebook and have requested a quote from china manufacturing aswell, guess we sit and wait.


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Quotes from China are in, at $145 a pair (one seat)



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posted on December 18th, 2016 at 07:27 PM



Thanks Nils,

To me cost still reasonable for a NLA part :yes:




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posted on December 23rd, 2016 at 01:55 PM



Bit of an update and input welcomed.

Nils resurrected a thread on TheSamba for Type 3 Seat Adjuster Cams (just before I got around to joining and doing the same - http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487722&postdays=0&po...), and a couple of members have shown interest SO we are currently sitting at 9 sets -

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1 set - Nils
1 Set - Bert (Fossil)
2 sets - wombatadventures (Terry)
1 Set - cruiser
1 set - morts
1 set - bus914

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1 set - KTPhil
1 set - bus914

Anyone know of other people with a Type 3 who is in need of or would like a set or 2?

Looks as though CNCíng is cheaper option over 3D Printing.

Thoughts on putting up a thread in the For Sale section for expression of interest by members for a set or 2 ...... may do the same on samba once I check the rules.

Thought I had mentioned this before but I did find on The Samba an old post where a set of these were for sale @ USD160.00 - a picture from that advertisement

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