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posted on July 4th, 2021 at 10:23 PM
Stock 5 stud wheels on Ausi disc/ball joint/torsion bar front end options


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I have a 4 stud disc brake, ball joint, torsion bar front end from a 68 I think. I'm wanting to bolt it on a 67 beetle with stock 5 stud wheels. My aim is to have ball joints and disc brakes with stock 5 stud pattern wheels with remote booster for reduced pedal pressure.

What are my options if any? In everyone's experience what is recommended? Any input is appreciated.

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posted on July 4th, 2021 at 10:32 PM



The ball joint beam has a wider torsion bar housing spacing and will not fit the earlier pan unless you change the frame head.
You can have a 5 stud drum brakes on the ball joint front end with factory parts from the USA as that change over model was not sold in this country.
You can have 5 stud after market disc brake conversion for the ball joint beam.
A booster is not required with a disc brake beetle as the car is very light and is very easy to over brake the front wheels.
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posted on July 5th, 2021 at 07:56 PM



Thanks for that, I'll put the booster idea aside.
Just some clarification needed still...

I cant find wide five disc kits for these Ausi disc spindles, there for I will need US ball joint spindles which had drums on them and then use a disc kit from the US? Does that sound right?

Also, Is there a large enough difference to warrant going for a ball joint beam as apposed to the LP/KP Beam?

I'm not apposed to the original 67 front end and brakes. It was just an idea since I will have a 1500SP in it and the family driving it.

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posted on July 6th, 2021 at 07:20 AM



Just get your drum brakes working how they are supposed to and they will be fine.

US ball joint spindles will not fit. Australia did not have a '67 model. They really didn't change much from '63. The US '67 spindles are the same as '68. '69. '70 Australian.




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posted on July 6th, 2021 at 07:28 AM



Andre

Where are you located There are several Wide 5 Disc brakes kits available in Australia and they work well




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posted on July 6th, 2021 at 10:04 AM



I'm in Adelaide.

I was hoping for a custom 5 wide disc that would replace the 4 stud disc on this Ausi 68 front end.
Basically a disc with an inbuilt adapter plate and the rest would be stock.

I haven't found anything like it yet. Will keep looking as I'm not at the stage to make a final decision anyway.
I live in the hills and worry about brake fade when the rest of the family drive it.

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posted on July 6th, 2021 at 10:26 AM



You shouldn't have brake fade if they are working correctly. I used to have a '63 rally car with drums (modified 1600 tp). In 1963 VWs won their class at Bathurst with drum brakes.

'68 front end will not fit without a lot of work. Probably removing the body from the pan.

You could use Porsche 356 drums or try Vintage Vee Dub Supplies in Sydney. Give them a call and they can advise you on what they sell.

If you buy from overseas tell them it is for a '63 Beetle. Do not mention '67 at all.




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posted on July 6th, 2021 at 04:16 PM



Thanks Phill
I like the practicality and economy of staying stock. Good to here the drums do well. Not keen on modifying the front so I guess I'll stick with LP/KP front anyway.
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posted on July 7th, 2021 at 07:19 AM



Give this guy a call. He is in Adelaide

https://www.shannons.com.au/club/directory/volksdoktor-5000/ 




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posted on July 7th, 2021 at 01:12 PM



Hi Andre,
In Easter, 1963 I raced a Beetle at Bathurst. It had stock brakes, to which I fitted alloy cooling fins and good linings. It pulled up lap after lap from over 160km/h, and broke the 1300cc lap record. Assuming your engine is stock 40hp, stock brakes should do the job.
For 'normal' driving you don't need the cooling fins, however good linings is a must!
Mark Poole, in Edwardstown may be able to help with the right linings. If not, local Formula Vee people would be worth a try.
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posted on July 7th, 2021 at 08:59 PM



Thanks Greg, that is awesome. Yep, I've felt the difference between brake pads. That makes me a lot more confident. I will only have a stock 1500 and won't be racing it on the road either.
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