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| posted on September 10th, 2003 at 10:29 AM |
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perhaps a stupid question, but...
is the cooling tinware for the underside of a beetle the "cylinder cooling tin" ?
you see i must find out of this is the right stuff as cherry seems to be missing her cooling undergarments and i dont wish to have her feeling
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| posted on September 10th, 2003 at 11:35 AM |
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if someone asked me to pass the cylinder cooling tin, I'd probably give them the curved pieces that sit over the top that the plugs poke
through.
If you were going to a wrecker and wanted the pieces, I'd just say " you know, the pieces that go underneath". Make sure that you also
have the small deflector piece that sits between and underneath the cylinders, sometimes left off after a re-build I hear.:thumb
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| posted on September 10th, 2003 at 11:39 AM |
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the way i see it, all the tinware has cooling functions in directing airflow to the right places.
logically the tin top & bottom of the barrells would be cylender cooling tin.
the stuff underneath must also help stop the fins filling up with mud & stuff and thus help them work at optimum efficency.
anyone else have another view?
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| posted on September 10th, 2003 at 12:47 PM |
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The best bet is to photo copy a page from a manual if you have one (most show an exploded view of the complete stock tin ware)
Take that with you to the wreckers etc to find the bits you need.
In my experience even the 'experts' have trouble identifying the various tinware parts let alone pick the right piece from a name.
The other thing is many people throw away all the 'unnecesary' bit's making them quite hard to track down. I have recovered bits people
didn't even realise was part of the stock system.
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 12:30 AM |
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just point to the bit you need 
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 12:33 AM |
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That's an old motor 555bug!!
Just remember it varied quite a bit over the years, and also between models.
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 08:28 AM |
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That's not an old motor, that's a relatively new dog house motor.
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 08:49 AM |
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Hmmm.... Now you got me wondering Wes. Yes it looks like dog house tinware.
What threw me was items 7, 8 This is how the old motors (early-mid 50's) did there heating, off the heads/barrels, not solely off the exhaust.
So what is it??
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 10:04 AM |
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thanks guys ummm... it looks like shes missing alot! |
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 10:30 AM |
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6 and 9 are the normal under cylinder tin bits and pieces.
7 and 8 are something weird I haven't seen before, probably early stuff like Andy said. Not sure why it is showing both.
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 11:41 AM |
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Cylinder "cooling Tin" is usually the small pieces under the cylinders that is sometimes left out by mistake! and the type 3
"cooling tin" that can take its place is mach larger and more complex. I have type 3 cooling tin on My beetle engine.
But really All the tinware is important. Although the tinware under the pushrod tubes really only deflects hot air to the rear of the vehicle.. and
stops damage to the pushrod tubes from stones....
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 12:46 PM |
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That exploded view of tinware includes all that was used from 36h.p. right thru' to the 1600 twin port.I even notice the small one that went
under a 36h.p. fuel pump(it doesn't have a number)
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| posted on September 11th, 2003 at 02:27 PM |
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7 and 8 I think are for type 3 arent they?
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| posted on September 12th, 2003 at 09:56 AM |
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so i can safely put 7 and 8 on the beetle?
does this cooling tin actually direct air to where it is needed or does it just keep stuff clean and therefore cooler?
and perhaps another stupid question, does the type of exhaust you have on make any difference to how the stuff sits/fits/works etc? |
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| posted on September 12th, 2003 at 10:01 AM |
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So what motor and exhaust do you have ??
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| posted on September 12th, 2003 at 01:08 PM |
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on a beetle you want to have 5 and 11 on both sides of the motor. 5 being the most important. You have to pull the cylinder heads off to get 5 in and
out, as it sits above the push rod tubes.
You also want to have 6 and 9 on the respective sides.
They all help guide the air around the cylinders properly. Without them the air doesn't get directed around the underside of the cylinders
properly.
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| posted on September 12th, 2003 at 08:36 PM |
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7 and 8 can only be used with early 36 horsepower type exhaust.Flaps 14 and 15 are hooked directly to the heater cables and lift up to stop hot air
coming from there and directing it out the front of 7 and 8 into the car. This is the reason for the new type of heating system with fresh air
directly from the fan housing-less chance of heating air containing oil fumes from any cylinder or pushrod tube leaks. No 5 is a critical piece
because it directs cooling air to the underside of the cylinders.no 11 is not as important but would be beneficial in real hot weather or if you are
working the motor hard.6 and 9 you can get away with and can only be used with standard heater boxes-if you use 'J' tubes for exhaust-you
would have nowhere to attach them anyway.Their main use is to direct the heated air from under the cylinders towards the rear of the car-also probably
a low pressure area there to help with this.
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| posted on September 12th, 2003 at 11:51 PM |
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ive got a 1600 type 3 motor which has been made to fit the beetle and monza exhaust.
so which bits will fit and which bits do i for sure for sure need, and which bits will be a good idea seeing i live in qld and drive it alot and far
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