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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 11:54 AM |
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lowering my 71 bug
how can i lower my 71 bug at the front end. all options considered. I have no idea really
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 12:34 PM |
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I take it you are talking super??
If so - go the struts or just move the prech
Steve C did a great article here
http://www.clubvw.org.au/struts.htm
Places like V Force and VVDS sell them
Also read at http://www.superbeetles.com and go to tech and stuff
Barry
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 06:23 PM |
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thanks barry but i am not sure if mine is a super or not ? the chassis number says aug 71 and it has an s badge on it but my girlfriends is a 76
which should have macpherson struts and my suspension is totally different to hers. i found a photo in how to hotrod of my suspension and it says its
a macpherson strut but to add to confusion the next page has a photo of my girlfriends and also labels that as macpherson struts. i have attached
image of suspension on my car can u help identify. cheers david
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 06:26 PM |
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thanks barry but i am not sure if mine is a super or not ? the chassis number says aug 71 and it has an s badge on it but my girlfriends is a 76
which should have macpherson struts and my suspension is totally different to hers. i found a photo in how to hotrod of my suspension and it says its
a macpherson strut but to add to confusion the next page has a photo of my girlfriends and also labels that as macpherson struts. i have attached
image of suspension on my car can u help identify. cheers david
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 06:40 PM |
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You have the super
your girl friend has the last of the beetles - a 76
They went back to beam front end
Yours will be a 1302 - 3 bolt suspension. Refers to how many bolts hold the strut at the base.
3 bolt allows for a further drop than the later 2 bolt.
Decide if you want to ever run Porsche or deep front wheels. If you do you will need a narrower spring on your suspension and it is easier to go to
the adjustable 80mm spring
I run the 2 bolt V Force ones and am running 6" x 16" on the front with 195 tyres. All under stock guards.
A friend is running 7" x 16" with a 205 under stock on the 3 bolt.
You can put
lowered/heat treated springs
lowered perch
or the adjustable which has a lowered narrowed perch for the thinner spring
If you are just going to put a lowered spring or the perch get hold of a spare pair and do the work on those. Once it is done it is a lot easier to
just swap the towers over
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 06:59 PM |
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thanks barry you have answered a lot of questions re the diff between our two cars . i will look into lowering stuff .mine is a 3 bolt cheers david
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 07:36 PM |
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Had mine done at the VW and Volvo Centre $180 both sides measured and lowered 50mm
Terrific job - way cool look
a little rubbing on right hand turn at full lock
dont know what to do about that - put up with it I guess
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 08:04 PM |
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Breville
depends what sort of steering box u have. Get under and the "steering?" arm that comes off the box may have 2 bolts that u adjust to touch
the side before your wheel does.
All the boxes i have seen have them except for the one i have now and i need it most with the 195's up front
Do you know how they lowered the car??
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 08:19 PM |
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For $180 I'd be guessing the old oxy got a bit of a work out!!
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| posted on December 20th, 2003 at 08:49 PM |
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hey barry thanks again umm just wondering what the cost of the vforce setup u run . 6*16 will be plenty i thinks cheeers david
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| posted on December 21st, 2003 at 10:32 AM |
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lowering perch
checked out my suspension an its looks like thee perch is just welded to the shock . Is that right and if so is lowering the perch just a matter of
grinding and re welding. how do you shorten springs is it simply a matter of tackling them with the grinder as well. i assume that if you buy thinner
narrower springs you just fit them were th e old ones come off. any answers greatly appreciated i am new at this hotrodding bus and my learning curve
is steep cheers david
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| posted on December 21st, 2003 at 01:14 PM |
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Don't hit the springs with a grinder!!!
Ok as i see it options best to worse
1-proper adjustble struts
2-lower and or stiffer front springs (either standard diameter (king spings 30mm lower 35% stiffer) or the narrower ones(with shocks to match if
stiffer)
3-lower the perch
also blue will know this better, but i thought if u use the upper bearings of a 1303 on a 1302 it gives u a 1inch lower ride? |
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| posted on December 21st, 2003 at 06:26 PM |
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how did they do it
the circular shelf that the sring rests on was moved down the tubeand rewelded
very good job - you would think they were standard
thanks for the tip - not exactly sure what you mean but i will take a look under
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| posted on December 21st, 2003 at 06:57 PM |
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so was it just the perch that was lwered then. did you need different springs or shocks at all. and does it afect the amount of travel that your shock
has over bumps etc
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| posted on December 21st, 2003 at 07:17 PM |
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any ideas on good proper adjustable struts and how much. looks like best way for me i thinkz
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 10:10 AM |
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Bix
not sure on what you said about the bearing??
The V Force towers are about $1000 supply and is new springs and strut insert.
If you just lower the perch you can reuse springs and insert.
Lower springs can also reuse the insert
But you should put a new shorter insert in as well
Yes all this shortens the suspension travel but it was excessive before and will be fine
There is also the tapered spring. You cannot put a thin spring on a large perch. Topline sell a hourglass spring to help putting wide tyres on - but
why bother.
Buy the time you lower the perch, put inserts in and buy new springs the adjustable do it for you and you have the option to put shorter springs in if
you want. and it is a new proper piece.
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 10:12 AM |
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Breville
i will take a pic and show what i mean
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 03:22 PM |
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blue, iam sure i saw on superbeetles only a post about how if u use the top perch/bearing unit from a 1303 strut on a 1302 strut it gives u a 1 inch
drop?
u seem to know that forum, thought u mite know the post? |
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 03:34 PM |
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original springs were refitted. New inserts and stoppers were fitted.
Ride is hard - you feel the bumps etc
however stability is good.
Wanting now to fix the rubbing and also
find a way to stiffen the back some sort of a sway bar or better than standard shocks would be good - anyone got a spare
regards
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 04:12 PM |
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These are the stops u adjust on the box.
For some reason i dont have the same piece and it doesnt/cant have the stops
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 06:08 PM |
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Breville,
Here is a pic of my setup.
3 bolt with VForce parts. |
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 07:09 PM |
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mine does not have those bolts
the swinging arm on mine in only about 6 inches long and has a hole for the damper and the rod
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 07:47 PM |
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Then u have the same as me 
All the others i have had were as above - but the one i have is like yours them 
Oh well - just turn carefully then
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 10:44 PM |
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Hey Bigbruvabob and blue74,
What is involved in lowering an IRS rear end?
How low can you get the rear without causing to much damage to it?
Cheers Lee.
some people are like slinky's
they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs
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| posted on December 24th, 2003 at 02:14 PM |
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Simple
lower/twist the spring plate spline a couple of notches
The back is easy and cheap
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| posted on December 25th, 2003 at 05:59 PM |
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cheers mate.
picking up a new pan off of dave becker.
want to get ol' yella nice and low.
some people are like slinky's
they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs
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