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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 12:12 AM |
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Webers Vs Kadrons
Apart from webers being a bit more adjustable, will they make me go faster or smoother?? If so IDAs of IDFs? And it's two of them on a 1916. Any
opinions would be much appreciated, and if there's already a post about this let me know,
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 09:30 AM |
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http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles/carbs101.htm
Bill
read the above link
In a simple term
Kads are single barrel duals
DRLA Delorto and IDF Webers are dual barrel duals
IDA Webers are dual barrel dual race carbs
As a dual barrel duals are a barrel per pot you can tune better. They flow more air.
It is "easier" to change vents in a Weber carb.
You can get more sizes in IDF's 36,40,44 and 48's with vents from 28 to 44?
That being said check out AJ Sims site
http://www.lowbugget.com/
AJ sells kits to take Kads to 46mm and rums a 12.57 1/4mile in 1916 Kad fed beetle. Now wether it is a street car is another thing
Personally i like IDF's
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 09:37 AM |
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I am sure there was a thread about this (I started it) but can't find it. Try seaching the old Forum http://pub83.ezboard.com/baussieveedubbers
From what I got told, Webers will give you more power but will need to be tuned more often than Kadrons. They are much more expensive too. IDFs seem
to be the ones to go for. I recall the feedback was generally Kadrons are more suitable for daily drivers for up to 1916. More competative driving (or
larger CCs) Webers are better. Talk to Rod Penrose, he seem to know a lot about Kadrons and used them a lot. Also matttyler (on this forum) has a 1916
with a pair of Kadrons. I believe he is very happy with it. He can tell you his personal opinion. Personally, I prefer the Kadrons because they are
smooth on a daily driver and easier to tune than Webers. But that's only my personal opinion not an expert one
Good luck
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 09:39 AM |
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Ahh, one more thing. VolksWorld mag had a carby comparison article couple of month ago. They compared most dual carbies available on the market. If
you want, I can dig the articel out, scan it & email it to you
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 09:48 AM |
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You will get all sorts of varying opinions on this one.
I've got Kads on a Pobjoy 1916 'Stage I'. They are great. But I think it all depends on the 'total package'.
No point putting big carbies on a small engine or an engine with small ports. The fuel/air pump (engine) won't create enough suction to work the
carbies properly.
So in my case the next step will be bigger heads before bigger carbies.
Talk to people in the industry with plenty of experience and you'll be set straight.
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:03 AM |
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Yep that's right 56astro. No use having big jugs if you're engine can't use them. I, too have Kads on a base 1916 and they're
great. So, webers are more 'tunable' but who gives a toss. You should only need to tune once...
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:17 AM |
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So, webers are more 'tunable' but who gives a toss. You should only need to tune once...
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True-ish but a set of Webers IS a better quality bit of metal.
Webers are only set up once.
They breath better and more.
The kad linkage is not well made.
Many people are happy with kads but they are not better than Webers ....
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:24 AM |
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Thanks All. Big help. It is my daily driver, and as I'm not all that mechanically minded maybe I should stick with the Kads for driveability. It
does go great anyway except for the overrun.
karmannghia60, I'd love a copy of that article if it's not too much trouble.
email address is below.
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:27 AM |
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Hey Blue741, I just noticed I'm around the corner from you in Five Dock... small world
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:40 AM |
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Have to catch up some time them. I am just in Hampden Road. Blue2 and Daisy are always there! - there are a few forum dubbers round our way
Sick68
Greag Ward
Che Castro - hey Jonathon where are you!!
V Force is just over the bay at Mortlake
Give us a call for a coffee/beer one day
Maybe come out on the run to the doughnut shop on Friday?.
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 01:24 PM |
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Cool. I will. I'm in Barnstaple Rd. I sometimes see an orange bug (with whitewalls I think) in that street opposite Vintage cellars. Is that one
of these guys? Also sometimes a red bug with the decklid up on the main road, also a yellow super? with Aero guards. Looks a bit like Steve
Carter's but isn't. My car's at V Force at the moment getting fixed. Dougnut shop sounds good. Let me know when etc.. Bill
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 01:30 PM |
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No worries, will find the article for you. But I am not at work till Monday next week (I don't have a scanner at home)
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 01:59 PM |
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Bill
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=8667
That is the link for the doughnut run this Friday
Meet at M4 Macca's
The red one with the deck lid up is mine if its a super or Steves if its a standard
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Ahh - is yours the white one with white spoked mags and white euro mirrors?
I saw on there the other day.
mmmm...looked nice
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 05:31 PM |
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So, webers are more 'tunable' but who gives a toss. You should only need to tune once...
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True-ish but a set of Webers IS a better quality bit of metal.
Webers are only set up once.
They breath better and more.
The kad linkage is not well made.
Many people are happy with kads but they are not better than Webers ....
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Yeah, but one of the arguments webberheads have for Webers (in general - not just here on VW forum) is that they are 'more tunable' to which
I say - so what...?
Yeah, the Kadron linkage in ordinary, ay. But they're a good, cut-price usable carb that work well on a 1916 etc
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 06:02 PM |
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Thanks Raf. No hurry, whenever you got time is cool
Yeah Blue, that is my car... I should have it back from Richard on thursday. Here it is:
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 06:26 PM |
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Cool - so what is powering it at the moment??
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| posted on July 29th, 2003 at 11:47 PM |
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The guy I bought it from said that the old engine That was in it was a beast to drive around town (fast but not practical), so he put a 1916 (94s)
with kads in it. I've done nothing to it and take no credit for the work done on it. I saw it 8 or 9 years ago when I was a poor young bloke and
wanted to buy it then, and it was for sale back then. Nick Blunck used to own it. Thought about it on and off for years. I saw it this year at the
Nationals for sale! It had ACT plates on it. I bought it with a credit card, seriously. Perfect for me as I'm not very mechanically minded, and
couldn't do this to a car if I tried... and wouldn't even know where to start if I did.
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| posted on July 30th, 2003 at 12:35 PM |
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think i saw it at the nationals guy wanted 13K for it i think. was sound car, central locking nice narrowed beams
do you mind saying how much??
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