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| posted on August 24th, 2004 at 09:38 PM |
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Ford rear disc conversion
Have just finished fitting my new Ford rotor to the machined up VW brake drum in a 5x130 stud pattern for my rear brakes and plan on fitting 15x8inch
Porsche mags.I haven't finished machining the caliper bracket yet but there doesn't seem to be much room between the rotor and the inside of the
wheel.Fords used 15inch wheels with these rear discs so I presume they should fit up OK. Must run real close with 15's.Has any body done this
conversion and used 15's.
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 12:16 AM |
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I done 14 / 15 / 16 /17 /18/ no probs but not those wheels
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 12:35 AM |
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how about alfa romeo 156 wheels?. they are 16 inch. off the 1999 156 that is. could you get ford discs and fit these wheels on?
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 01:32 AM |
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um what is the pcd of the bolt holes ?
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 04:05 AM |
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ok explain to me pcd? lol. i dont even know what that is. let me know and i will check first thing.
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 01:02 PM |
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Pitch Circle Diameter is the diameter of the imaginary circle that the studs are placed on.
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 06:41 PM |
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o----kay then. how the hell am i meant to measure something that isnt there? and the wheels are still on the car
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| posted on August 25th, 2004 at 08:29 PM |
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Think about it?
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| posted on August 26th, 2004 at 12:48 AM |
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ok get the caliper and fit it to the disk , you need that brake line off the ford fitted to the caliper , then get compressed air and jack the caliper
up so it clamps to the disk , you can then see if it clears the rim .
Do not !!!!! fit the air line under pressure to the caliper with out some thing like a peice of flat bar stoping the pistion coming out .Its like a
gun :alien
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| posted on August 26th, 2004 at 12:52 AM |
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O plug for V force guys . the drive hub you have just machined can be purchased from them blank * no stud holes *
what you have made above would not pass ADR and if you had a crash you would not be coverd by your insurance company .
get a new blank hub and do the above .
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| posted on August 26th, 2004 at 03:19 PM |
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Thanks Seagull
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| posted on August 26th, 2004 at 09:00 PM |
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No probs , I think I need to get on to the DIY section and do a how to do your own disk brake set up . we would run out of fords very soon , but then
again how many do you see on the side of the road on a hot day when your driving by in your AIR cooled VW :beer
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| posted on August 27th, 2004 at 10:32 AM |
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I don't think so- They probably produced about 50,000 cars a year and I bet there won't be big group of people chasing bits to restore any into the
future,so should be a few bits around for a while.The bits I picked up were the result of a young hoon pretending he was in a V8 Super car and
shredded the diff,so when he found a replacement he did a complete swap so the brakes were just going for scrap.Should start collecting the caliper
brackets because the rotors and calipers are readily available new and would be for years to come.
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| posted on August 27th, 2004 at 05:26 PM |
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Interested in how to!
Hey Seagull I would be very interested in learning "how-to" your own ford rear disc brake setup if you wouldn't mind putting a detailed post on
the fourm.
As Ive looked at a few different setups and am not to sure what is good and what is just down right dangours.:beer |
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Yes I am working on it now :alien
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| posted on August 28th, 2004 at 12:28 AM |
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The PCD must be 5 on 112 ford is 5 on 114.5 , so you moved the PCD out to fit these wheels ?
or did you buy a blank disk ?
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| posted on August 28th, 2004 at 01:41 PM |
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Bought a new blank rotor to suit a Ford and drilled it 5x130 for the Porsche pattern.Drilled a 4 stud brake drum 5x130 and skimmed the inside to give
a flat surface for the studs to seat properly.
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| posted on August 28th, 2004 at 02:25 PM |
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Considering how many of us kombi guys are already using Ford wheels, and the huge range of aftermarket alloys available, leaving the Ford stud pattern
would be an easy option.... :thumb
Of course, that won't work if you have some other wheel in mind...
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| posted on August 28th, 2004 at 05:02 PM |
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Correct-and the cheapest because if the car you got everything from was recently junked-chances are you wouldn't need to renew or overhaul any of the
parts.And using Ford pattern you have access to pre AU and AU wheel offsets.On my Oval I have AU offset all round-17x7 up front and 17x8 rears.I could
use the early offset at the back for a wider track and still keep just inside the guards.I have used a 12mm spacer on the rears to give more clearance
between the rim and the spring plate bolt.
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| posted on August 28th, 2004 at 09:28 PM |
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have you the part number for the blank disk ?
I follow the other bits , no probs .
what master cyl are you going with ?
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| posted on August 29th, 2004 at 09:21 AM |
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The invoice says DBA 111A.The brake place here made a phone call whether they could get them undrilled and it appears they come from overseas blank
and are drilled somewhere in Aus. Weren't any cheaper though-same as drilled.You can also have the holes and slot business done and still be
undrilled.I haven't organised my fronts yet-have to convert Country Bug spindles to discs,so depending on which calipers I end up using will
determine what Mast.cylinder I use.Will probably start with a 19mm dual,but also have a Kombi dual which I think are 22mm to try.
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I have used Ford studs as well for this which will be good if you use Ford type mags because there is a huge range of stud lengths used in Fords-and
from what I have found they are all the same diameter at the head.I drilled everything 15.5mm and with some Nevaseize on the studs head they pull into
the hub real easy. Just use a bit of tube bigger than the stud diameter and a flat washer and a normal wheel nut on backwards and hit it with the
rattle gun.For my Porsche mags I will have to get wheel nuts made up.The Ford nuts are 13/16 across the flat and have the wrong taper angle where they
contact the wheel-I need 7/8 across the flat and the same taper angle as a VW wheel nut.Simple enough job for a machine shop to do and then get them
chromed.Ther is probably something available genuine Porsche for studs and nuts but I don't have easy access to any dealers.
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Kombi wheel nuts fit the porsche wheels.
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| posted on August 29th, 2004 at 06:38 PM |
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what you have made above would not pass ADR and if you had a crash you would not be coverd by your insurance company .
get a new blank hub and do the above .
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NOT True, if you use studs then it will pass ADR's and is legal. You will need an engineers certificate though.
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| posted on August 29th, 2004 at 09:13 PM |
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Sure can you find one for me that would put his name to it ? I can not over here Craig .
I would like the blank hubs still V force .
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bring it over,he passed mine.
What reason were you given for not passing ?
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| posted on August 29th, 2004 at 09:31 PM |
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I think the guy was unsure of the side load that it could handle with more holes drilled it .
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| posted on September 10th, 2004 at 08:55 PM |
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Some more progress for anyone interested.Drilled the aluminium caliper brackets and machined the VW bearing carrier to finish off my rear brake
conversion using Ford bits.Have clearance issues with the Porsche mags though.Caliper just clears the rim but the bleed nipple rubs.Will need a 5mm
spacer for all to clear(have bolted wheel up with 5mm's of flat washers) In hindsight it would have worked out much cheaper to stay with the Ford
stud pattern and sell the Porsche wheels and buy new Ford type mags.I cut the end from a swingaxle tube and drilled the holes 10.5 mm to use as a jig
to drill the caliper brackets-just fit it to the bracket,clamp it down where you want it and use it as a jig to drill the bracket.Will do the hand
brake cable after I have the suspension arm back in the pan.
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