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mat54 Wolfsburg Wizard

401 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#1013931
long shot I know but one day I would like to return my cb back to stock
but I am missing a few vital bits maybe someone feels inclined to help out
-correct engine
-front seats
-rear seats
-fibre g;ass roof / canvas roof
-windscreen wiper motor and linkage
-front brakes (only got the drums but not the plates and stuff)
- horn button
-windscreen rubber
-windscreen
probably more but lets start with the easy things first......😎😂
cheers
steffen

bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber

327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1013953
Hi Steffen.
By the time you get the body sorted all these things will come to you. If yours isn’t too rusty, and I bet it is, start with rust converter / rust proofing the thing, seriously.
Engine – 1300 with engine number starting with F125
Front Seats – Bottom half is beetle with black knobs, the back is CB only. You can make the frame but the tin back plate is pressed, might be able to make one with an English wheel, I bet CB John could do it. He’s the CB sheet metal man.
Roof – Arty P had a couple made from a mould I think he got from Lindsay, others get the canvas roof made, make your own hoops. Several threads on here about that, John had one made. Sticky thread at the top of this forum.
Front Brakes – If you have CB spindles then the brakes are the last of the Kombi drums, 55mm wide, 68 & 69.
Horn button – There’s always hope I guess? CB only, so rare I won’t be parking mine in a public place with the real button on it. I plan to make a fake one.
Wiper motor – there are some about, and you can buy similar things for tractors & boats. Wiper is beetle or type 3, the cross linkage is made up from twin carby type 3 throttle rods, balls & links. The left hand spindle is CB only and rare, I plan to make something.
Windscreen rubber – Clark Rubber has the measurements for the windscreen, bonnet & boot I believe. Threads on here about that.
Windscreen – have to get one cut from flat laminated glass.

It’ll all come. Email me and I’ll send you the parts book.
Cheers
Tony
Country Buggy King & Link Pin Overhauls, Type 1 & 2 King Pins, General Machining.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=74138
My car is KO813

mat54 Wolfsburg Wizard

401 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#1014012
hey tony

thanks heaps for the reply
yep things will come together over time
Thats why I will just throw it on a betle pan for now to give me time to restore and find all the bits i need for future resto all while I enjoy the body in its raw form😎😎
cheers
steffen

aircooledjake Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Jul 2013 ·

#1014043
horn button is standard oval beetle.
look up standard horn button on samba, thats your best place to get one, expect to pay if you want nos though
i have a nos style 12v wiper motor, ill try see if there is any numbers on it to help you out

Jake

bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber

327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1014106
Sorry Jake
The CB horn button 115-951-501 is definitely not the same as the Beetle 56-59 / Bus 55-67.
They look very similar, plain grey buttons, but the CB has a smaller “button” area and won’t fit in the wheel. Just what the steering wheel and horn button is from has never been made clear, to me anyway. Interestingly they use VW part numbers (Wheel is 111-415-655A) so perhaps they were from something very early, perhaps split window (pre 56) or something else related to a VW, like a Tempo, Kubel or something? There were heaps of things VW used to make for others. The barn door bus has a very similar looking wheel but it has a key, not a spline, and the (reproduction) horn button has grooves around the outside, CB is plain. Don’t know if it fits?
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-211-415-651
Can’t see the barn door button sold separately anywhere.
Happy to be proven wrong, I’d love to know.

For the others on here, CB wiper motors are 6 volt of course, not sure if the beetle 12v rotors will fit in them. I think it might. Love to see a picture of your wiper motor Jake.
Cheers
Tony

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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1014107
I have a CB engine tray if anyone needs it goes on the sump to stop scrapping the case
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099


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aircooledjake Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Jul 2013 ·

#1014117
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1530647

its split beetle standard horn button i am sure of it, it petri, for the three spoke steering wheel?
my bad i wrote oval, my mind was somewhere else

its different to a bus one

you can never find them here only in america

ask omr 077 i know i saw he got one form america

bevoracing Officially Full-On Dubber

327 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1014126
Well there you go. That's it. Correct part number & all.
You answered the question. I saw one for sale once for $350 so that's a good price. I think we can be pretty sure where the wheel comes from now too.
Country Buggy King & Link Pin Overhauls, Type 1 & 2 King Pins, General Machining.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=74138
My car is KO813

nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk

2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#1014174
I managed to get a NOS horn button a couple of years ago from a bloke in Germany for my CB steering wheel-definitely from a split Beetle.

mat54 Wolfsburg Wizard

401 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#1014255
vw54 wrote:I have a CB engine tray if anyone needs it goes on the sump to stop scrapping the case

yep definatly keen on that part
when I finally do a proper resto it should end up as stock as possible
cheers
let me know how much shipped to 6162 perth wa
cheers
steffen

piece by piece😊😊😊😊

aircooledjake Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Jul 2013 ·

#1014339
bevoracing wrote:Well there you go. That's it. Correct part number & all.
You answered the question. I saw one for sale once for $350 so that's a good price. I think we can be pretty sure where the wheel comes from now too.

yes i assume its split standard wheel as well, it just i think there might be two different ones. early and late.. and they have different splines? correct me if I'm wrong

nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk

2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#1014348
I have an early Oval column and wheel and the are identical to my CB parts. Both have the bush in the top of the column and the spigot on the back of the steering wheel to fit into the bush. They also both use the carbon brush for the horn circuit that clips into the side of the column. Do all CB's use this type of column??

aircooledjake Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Jul 2013 ·

#1014475
here is a few pictures of my wiper motor i said i would put up, i have always been told that 6v is original, but this looks very legit and it says 12v on it.. so i dunno, its like exactly the same but generic. SWF on the switch and also on the sticker

the only difference is the shaft lengths hence generic, but you just cut inner and outer shafts to desired length and its good to go

the number on it is SWF 402.227 and a google search returned this website
https://www.smolka-berlin.de/onlineshop/en/artikel/SWF_VALEO_NIDEC_ITT_402.227___gear_motor,_windscreen_wiper_motor__12_V_DC/5398

so you might even still be able to buy it! hope it helps a lot of people, take my word that it looks very close to original and correct brand and 12v so one less thing to worry about for a 12v conversion, much more authentic than the whitworths motors which i looked at both before i found this

Jake

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aircooledjake Slammed & Awesome Dubber

91 posts · joined Jul 2013 ·

#1014480
looking through the website there even looks to be one with a shorter arm

https://www.smolka-berlin.de/onlineshop/de/artikel/SWF_VALEO_NIDEC_ITT_402.280_Wischermotor%2C_Scheibenwischermotor%2C_Getriebemotor_12_V_DC%2C_Typ_VSWL/5624

and a whole range of different ones that look similar, could be a 6v in there as well
https://www.smolka-berlin.de/onlineshop/de/kategorien/SWF_VALEO_ITT_Wischermotor,_Scheibenwischermotor,_Wischeranlage/319?start=20

omr_007 Seriously Crusin Dubber

107 posts · joined Dec 2008 ·

#1014494
aircooledjake wrote:http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1530647

its split beetle standard horn button i am sure of it, it petri, for the three spoke steering wheel?
my bad i wrote oval, my mind was somewhere else

its different to a bus one

you can never find them here only in america

ask omr 077 i know i saw he got one form america
I managed to find 2 at reasonable prices (about $150 AUD delivered). One came from South America (good used) and the other came from Germany (perfect).

Have a look at this page here ...

http://www.volksworld.com/tech-guides/buyers-guides/vw-beetle-steering-wheels-whats-the-difference-buyers-guide-13974

Either the 48-55 or the 56-59 'standard beetle' wheels will work but I assume the correct one is the 56-59. The difference being the 48-55 wheel has a almost flat or slightly dished appearance on the face of the rim, the same profile as the early 'batwing' wheels. The later 56-59 has a fully rounded rim, however both use the same horn button.

In addition to all this, I think the european 'standard beetle' that continued up into the mid sixties still used these wheels and horn buttons. Split window beetle wheels also came in ivory too.