oil filter gasket help

pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 8 Sep 2016, 6:05 pm

#1029785

so its time to do the first oil change on the type3 panelvan since the engine rebuild. a couple of dumb questions..........
i recall reading that the cardboard oil filter gaskets need to be sprayed with something to make them non porous...
whats its called... where do i get it..... how do i use it....
any other tips or tricks so it doesnt leak....
also what are the torque settings of the centre drain plug and the smaller dome nuts????

thanks in advance

grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 · 8 Sep 2016, 9:09 pm

#1029790

Put them on dry, if they need sealant they aren't good quality. There are copper gaskets under the dome washers and the sump plug,don't forget to replace these with new ones that should be in the strainer kit.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 9 Sep 2016, 7:23 am

#1029794

yes put on dry

make sure the plate is not distorted around the 6 stud holes make it flat if its warped

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modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 · 9 Sep 2016, 9:53 am

#1029800

If you have a flat plate, and a flat sump, and a nice good quality gasket, then dry works well.
Unfortunately getting all 3 at once is unlikely.........

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pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 9 Sep 2016, 8:53 pm

#1029805

thanks for the replies

ok so i have some loctite no3 ........... should i use it anyway.......... looks like the filter gaskets had some sort of sealer on them previously......

better to be safe than sorry how tight should the dome nuts be ?????

hulbyw Insano Dub Head

819 posts · joined Sep 2009 · 9 Sep 2016, 10:25 pm

#1029809

Any sealant you use will be a PITA to get off next oil change. Best to leave it dry. My Idiot Manual says 5ft lbs torque on the nuts. Unless you are into working on push bikes, you probably won't have a torque wrench that goes that low. Just do up firm, but don't lean on them. Drain bolt is 25ft lbs

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Sep 2016, 7:13 am

#1029813

leave dry that's why you have paper gasket so they crush to seal

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pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 10 Sep 2016, 10:31 am

#1029818

got it..........
nice to have the right info........
have always used them dry but for some stupid reason the engine rebuilder has used what looks like silicone ?????????????
i will put it together dry and see what happens

thanks for all the input

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 · 10 Sep 2016, 12:08 pm

#1029819

If you don't have the correct 'acorn' nuts, Nyloc nuts will do to stop the oil seeping down the threads...and use new copper washers.

I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 10 Sep 2016, 3:17 pm

#1029825

yeah i have the dome nuts and a new gasket set
just done the filter...............what a PITFA it was to get the left over bits of the gasket off the sump.
know im starting to think that the gaskets had silastic on them why???????
was it because the sumps not flat ???????? i would think an engine rebuild would include checking that......... in this case who knows.............
time will tell i guess

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Sep 2016, 7:33 pm

#1029833

yep sump plate not flat
the most over look item always causes leaks

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pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 11 Sep 2016, 5:30 pm

#1029846

ok so gaskets done with no sealant.... so far so good..... approx 20 mile test run with no leaks...... will check in the morning if any drips on the garage floor.........
thanks for everyone input

pv370 Officially Full-On Dubber

272 posts · joined Apr 2014 · 12 Sep 2016, 5:06 pm

#1029876

dry as a chip sorry for the crappy pic

thanks to all

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 12 Sep 2016, 6:13 pm

#1029879

pv370 wrote:yeah i have the dome nuts and a new gasket set
just done the filter...............what a PITFA it was to get the left over bits of the gasket off the sump.
know im starting to think that the gaskets had silastic on them why???????
was it because the sumps not flat ???????? i would think an engine rebuild would include checking that......... in this case who knows.............
time will tell i guess

some people love silicon and others love permatex or other gasket cement.
I have always used the non drying permatex or aviation gasket cement..
It does make a gasket change Harder to clean etc....

another good hint: You can You silastic on exhausts, headers and manifolds as it WILL handle all that heat and does an excellent job of sealing any clean exhaust surfaces...
I didn't believe it at first, after being told that a mechanic fitting header exhausts etc used it for years to fix any gaps. I have used it for over 6 years now without any problems...

LEE

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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 · 12 Sep 2016, 7:14 pm

#1029882

If you must use silicon on exhausts, and there's an oxygen sensor in the system, make sure it is oxygen sensor safe.

I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!