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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117158
I take it is stocked valved non ported heads??

I made 61 with my 1776 with ported 040's
and 36 IDFs
Got to admit i would have thought in the 60's, but......

Guess its a torque monster to be spinning those wheels
Futue te ipsum!!!

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117159
mmm has 040 heads with I think 35.5 and 40 mm valves, more cleaned than ported. I did match them to my manifolds but teh rest is pretty stock.

I would die if I had 120 hp at the wheels 😀

Look forward to seeing your figures craig. Was talking to a mate last week for an article I am writting he gets 180 HP at the rear wheels and does 13.1 second passes in his Manx. It is a 2.4L with not much stock stuff left at all ....
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Gracey Wolfsburg Wizard

511 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#117165
Buggy Brad wrote:At my back wheels which are 31 x 10.5 x 15" tyres through an 1800 Kombi box and type 2 CV's it has .....

52.4 HP at the wheels ....... cool huh ..:thumb:thumb

Just goes to show those 40HP 1600 baja's and buggies are not far behind me.

Pretty cool how my 52.4 HP buggy can pull 4th gear in the soft sand any time it wants.

Just curious at what rev's was peak HP and peak torque?

Andrew Grace

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117194
I wouldn't let him go past 5000 RPM and teh graph was still going up at that stage. It was a very even curve right across the board.
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117203
Sounds like just the torquey little beastie you want for off road usage.

Well done !

Plus, there is one thing that all the pobjoy people dont have - the satisfaction that you built every single part of your car yourself 🙂 Might not mean much to some people, but it gives me a helluva kick I know 🙂

Maybe you wouldnt have gotten bogged so quickly if it had 94's on it........... 😀 not !!!

jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard

560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117249
I'd be pretty bloody dissapointed with that , my engine is of similar spec & I got 93.6@ the wheels.
I'd be having a word to the engine builder or trying another dyno
Jak

How much did u pay for that again??
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#117256
Hey, power aint everything. What about torque?
Pay your debts, CxxT

jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard

560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117305
I also had 90 odd tourqe at the rear wheels from 2500rpm all the way to 6000rpm & then fell slightly to 7000rpm, I don't think thats too bad huh?
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#117306
doesn't a stocker spin the wheels on sand too? would be like wet grass...
let sleeping dubs lie

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117307
Wish you got the torque measurement too...

I expected a whole lot more from your engine.... I suspect the dyno operator may have had it on the wrong ramp rate or something.

I know a few 1776s that are getting 60+ with good torque. I expect mine to be around the 60s.

I know of one 2.1 that is getting 120+ but I suspect he'll get more on dyno day with further work on his injection...

I reckon you'd get more with the right ramp rate etc... That's why using a dyno operator who has shootout software (I'm sure non dyno dynamics machines have similar) are the best bet because the computer works out the ramp rates etc to get the most accurate measure.

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117399
I suspect the kombi gearbox and raised suspension isn't helping. kombi boxes have hypoid diffs which are less efficient than the beetle diffs. Also have the susp high works the CV's which I guess is another drivetrain loss.

My 1915 in was Baja was noticably slower than when the same engine was in an L bug. Big HP sucking monster.
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117401
Maybe I should pull my engine out of the kombi and put it in a bug for dyno day... match oranges with oranges in what is becoming a race agains Barry! lol

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#117414
Doug Sweetman wrote:Sounds like just the torquey little beastie you want for off road usage.

Well done !

Plus, there is one thing that all the pobjoy people dont have - the satisfaction that you built every single part of your car yourself 🙂 Might not mean much to some people, but it gives me a helluva kick I know 🙂

mmmmmm.... I get a helluva kick with a motor that peforms 😎

Why would I spend 25 years of my life trying to develop an engine combo, when I can use Stan's experience and enjoy the engine now ??

Hats off to all that build 100% of their cars:thumb


Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117512
Peter Leonard wrote:doesn't a stocker spin the wheels on sand too? would be like wet grass...
Yep, many of them more than me cause they are bogged.

As for being dissappointed ... mmmm no not at all. I think anyone who has ever seen my buggy / engine in action will agree it does what it is built to do very well and as it was designed to. My engine builder mmmm nah I think I will keep him as he comes in handy when I break down on the side of the road.

As for the dyno guy, I dunno, don't really care what he had it one cause mixture was all I care about the rest was for amusement of others.

Hey Jak, what sort of HP were you making at 5000 RPM ?
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#117523
HotRodMatt wrote:....... in what is becoming a race agains Barry! lol
You do what ever you need to Mat!

You gunna be crying well into 2004 :P

You will chuck those Kads further than a cricket ball when you see what Mighty Webers can do!! :o
Futue te ipsum!!!

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117588
Craig Torrens wrote:mmmmmm.... I get a helluva kick with a motor that peforms 😎

Why would I spend 25 years of my life trying to develop an engine combo, when I can use Stan's experience and enjoy the engine now ??

Hats off to all that build 100% of their cars:thumb

he he he - I get a helluva a kick from having thousands of dollars left in the bank...... and a motor that performs, if not as quick as Stans. I'd probably only wrap it around a tree at any rate 🙂

Horses for courses......

jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard

560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#117697
Hey Jak, what sort of HP were you making at 5000 RPM ? [/quote]

About 85 according to the dyno sheet.
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#117806
Doug Sweetman wrote:he he he - I get a helluva a kick from having thousands of dollars left in the bank...... and a motor that performs, if not as quick as Stans. I'd probably only wrap it around a tree at any rate 🙂

Horses for courses......
:jesus mmmm you're only saving $450 on the labour, I get a helluva kick earning a lot more using the time spent to build the motor on my own work! now who's😀

Work smart not hard I say !

You're right , horses for courses :thumb


Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#119238
Buggy Brad wrote:At my back wheels which are 31 x 10.5 x 15" tyres through an 1800 Kombi box and type 2 CV's it has .....

52.4 HP at the wheels ....... cool huh ..:thumb:thumb

Just goes to show those 40HP 1600 baja's and buggies are not far behind me.

Pretty cool how my 52.4 HP buggy can pull 4th gear in the soft sand any time it wants.

Maybe the problem is that I built it and not some other guy with magic fingures mmmm makes me really wonder how you guys are getting 120HP at your rear wheels .....

Now I have proof if anyone thinks I am telling fibs and only really have 45hp 😀, so lets see the printouts from some of you 1915 Pobjoy engine owners
Well I only have 111.6hp from my 1916cc😀 not 120hp !
Funny it was producing 52.5hp well under 3000rpm😀

3400rpm=62hp
3800rpm=70hp
4200rpm=82hp
4600rpm=88hp
5000rpm=100hp (about double your power at 5000rpm
5400rpm=104hp
5800rpm=108hp
6200rpm=110hp
and 111.6hp at 6400rpm

I'm glad I paid mister magic fingers😀

Done on a Dyno Dynamic dyno with Greg Ward's blue street/hillclimb beetle producing 108.8hp from his 1916cc. Gregs was running rich, so he will get better results after some tuning:thumb


Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#119260
sounds a bit fibby to me 😀
so mine's going to weigh in at around the 110 mark too 😀
yee #$%&#@hah 😀
:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb
let sleeping dubs lie

jakriz Wolfsburg Wizard

560 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#119263
They will want to see the print out Craig..........I've learnt from this forum that if they don't know u they won't beleive u.
regards
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#119269
jakriz wrote:They will want to see the print out Craig..........I've learnt from this forum that if they don't know u they won't beleive u.
regards
Jak
I'm not fussed Jak ! I've never had my car on a Dyno before, as I have always been happy with the performance. I did this to prove to myself what I had in comparison to others. Jetting was spot on and the Dyno guy was impressed, that's all need to know 😀


I'm sure CT will get a copy off Greg 😀


VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#119493
jakriz wrote:They will want to see the print out Craig..........I've learnt from this forum that if they don't know u they won't beleive u.
regards
Jak
lol it's the same on every forum... Pplaters like looking at pretty pictures and then saying "Oh that sux dude, my mate's brothers' old boss's secretary's husbands' nephew has a 180SX that'd whoop yo ass"
Pay your debts, CxxT

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#119500
Lets see your print out :P

Just read mine again and I actually only have 48 HP at the wheels .. Oops better get back in my Box.

IS your engine broken ? How come you didn't get the advertised 120 HP at the wheels ??

When is it coming out to play on the Beach with me ??
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#119502
c'mon craig and Brad, we wanna see both the dyno plots. See who's got a "corrected HP plot".

I'll have to dyno my tank one day. Will be interesting...
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#119510
Nah

dont do it Wes

You might have to take down the 200 ponie signature at the bottom of your posts!

or

You might have to up it! :P
Futue te ipsum!!!

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#119613
AT LAST!! some of these pics might even get posted... damned if i'm spending another three hours attempting to coax a resize out of my puter.. here's some of the initial puldown of my base 1916...
let sleeping dubs lie

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#119614
on de floor at last and about to strip... sounds a bit kinky 😀
let sleeping dubs lie

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#119619
pistons and cylinders.. damn those cruddy 94's 😉
you can see the unusual blackness on two of the pistons from some $%^#$%& muffler shop figuring that a new exhaust gasket with a hole the size of a twenty cent piece would do nicely... i was a little peeved to discover it.
let sleeping dubs lie

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#119625
the backbone of the steroids motor.. the custom pobjoy counterweighted crank.. mmmm *drooling noises* and some magic fingers doing their thing
let sleeping dubs lie