Narrowed beam Ride Video

TheGermanFolks · 2003-12-08T07:17:15+00:00

for everyone that said a narrowed beam without shocks wont ride good, watch this. Quintin Daily's 50 split, 5 inch narrowed beam, dropped spindles, and NO front shocks. http://www.lowlifevw.com/frdata_split.html

lowdown Seriously Crusin Dubber

127 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 23 Dec 2003, 6:02 pm

#123265

so lugnuts let me get this right rolling with adjusters on the 'illegal scale' is a one and no shocks is a six then where does murder,rape ad pedaphilea come in at? if you ask me then no shocks and adjusters are the same on the 'illegal scale'

OIL DRIPPERS
he who dies LOWEST wins!

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Dec 2003, 1:27 am

#123375

I thought we we talken bout cars,but anyway yes sounds right,adjusters>1,no shocks>6,murder>9,rape>10.😉

Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Dec 2003, 9:30 am

#123418

adjust your top adjuster to work against your bottom one. Then they won't bounce. Locks up your front end, but no bounce 😀

Anyhoo, verra nice rides you boys have over there. World class, something for us to live upto.

Cheers!

kustomkool BEING KOOL AINT CHEAP

1,611 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 25 Dec 2003, 2:18 pm

#123577

People editing my shit again must be some lame ass jelous fucker...
English hows this for english
Fuck
yourself admin...

Hey Scott hows that ozlook goin..:sandrine

TheGermanFolks Officially Full-On Dubber

248 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 27 Dec 2003, 9:43 am

#123780

you will see it when its done.

Scott R.
PRAISE THE LOWERED

SKEWtYpe3 Custom Title Time!

1,859 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 27 Dec 2003, 9:54 am

#123781

is the RHD taking off over there is it?
the new cal look ? 😀

:thumb

kustomkool BEING KOOL AINT CHEAP

1,611 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 27 Dec 2003, 8:43 pm

#123884

Theres no use trying to educate a bunch of meat heads they where all running 14 inch bathurst globes sporting the mullholland look only a few years ago.You would get more response pissing against a wall they know shit about anything accept giving shit.Why waste your time...
Losers true blue..

VWFOOL King for a day, Fool for a lifetime.

3,436 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 4 Jan 2004, 10:48 pm

#126218

by the way
wat colour is that split beetle, anyone know the paint code?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One man's junk...

jimby Slammed & Awesome Dubber

86 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 6 Jan 2004, 10:28 am

#126694

ive read trayle D's ejustification for fitting no socks and feel the need to add some comments.

a stock beam has stock length torsion leaves that have a certain value of spring rate, this is designed to match the various dry and gross weights of the bug under all circumstances. all springs under load have natural harmonics. natural harmonics in the suspension of a car need to be eliminated. this is what shocks do.

when trayle narrows a beam he shortens the torsion leaves. these torsion leaves still have the same springyness but the force needed to move the wheels up is increased as the rate of twist on each leaf is increased.

as you change the spring rate you change the natural harmonic frequencies that the beam has. these harmonics still exist and will exist under some driving conditions.

you will have to calculate these frequencies and pay a shock manufacturer like, spax, koni, bilstien etc to make a custom shock suited to damp the natural harmonic frequencies that would occur.

its what ALL motorsport team do. its why the shock on the WRC works mitsubishi we have in the workshop cost £5000 each.

i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety.

Unity-28 TOO LOW? NEVER

1,742 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 6 Jan 2004, 10:36 am

#126697

Thats your opinion.....No-one here is telling everyone to narrow their beam, and not to put shocks on, its your own choice, but critisizing someones choice is a little wrong.

And one last thing, Do you really think that the GFK would risk damaging these rides of their's? Think for just a second....Have you thought yet?

N!

Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 6 Jan 2004, 11:22 am

#126704

I'm so not getting into this.

They cruise in these cars, they don't fang 'em about, which is fine! Start driving like I do and you'll have problems. Infact you won't have problems, because they'll just understeer straight off the bat. So you'll stick to cruising.

koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 6 Jan 2004, 2:46 pm

#126747

wow, such a catfight!

horses for courses is what I say

jimby Slammed & Awesome Dubber

86 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 6 Jan 2004, 7:42 pm

#126870

Thats your opinion.....No-one here is telling everyone to narrow their beam, and not to put shocks on, its your own choice, but critisizing someones choice is a little wrong.

And one last thing, Do you really think that the GFK would risk damaging these rides of their's? Think for just a second....Have you thought yet?

N!

did steve irwine say something like this? i suppose it would take a 6.6 earthquake to make a GFK car with no shocks lose control 😀

Unity-28 TOO LOW? NEVER

1,742 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 7 Jan 2004, 9:21 am

#127001

In my opinion Steve Irwin did nothing wrong, cause the footage doesnt show any of the other people in the enclosure telling him what the croc is doing, and for all those people who say "but the baby had no choice" A baby has no choice to get in a car that some dickhead parent speeds in either, Whats more dangerous? I say speeding! But thats another story. I bet anyone that has a massive motor has more of a chance of losing control of their car, than someone with a norrowed beam with no shocks.

But hey, believe what you want, Im over it!

N!

Trayle D. the real oggfk Casual Dubber

43 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 8 Jan 2004, 1:32 pm

#127357

jimby wrote:ive read trayle D's ejustification for fitting no socks and feel the need to add some comments.

a stock beam has stock length torsion leaves that have a certain value of spring rate, this is designed to match the various dry and gross weights of the bug under all circumstances. all springs under load have natural harmonics. natural harmonics in the suspension of a car need to be eliminated. this is what shocks do.

when trayle narrows a beam he shortens the torsion leaves. these torsion leaves still have the same springyness but the force needed to move the wheels up is increased as the rate of twist on each leaf is increased.

as you change the spring rate you change the natural harmonic frequencies that the beam has. these harmonics still exist and will exist under some driving conditions.

you will have to calculate these frequencies and pay a shock manufacturer like, spax, koni, bilstien etc to make a custom shock suited to damp the natural harmonic frequencies that would occur.

its what ALL motorsport team do. its why the shock on the WRC works mitsubishi we have in the workshop cost £5000 each.

i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety.

At what point and with what formula will you use to factor in the two beams fighting eachother with the adjusters spread apart more that factory???? This also has an effect on the "spring rate" and the way that the sprung wieght of the car is distributed. If you read my posts closely youll see that I have also said that custom suspension is aways "give and take". You can not do one thing in one direction with it and not expect it to effect something else in a totaly different way. But if you want my opinion of what a narrowed beam narrowed more than 4.5 inches without shocks rides like???? Well, it rides much, much better than any other lowered VW Ive ever rode in, and I have 17 years of custom VW experience. And any of my customers would say the same.

i respect what the GF do with paint and bodies but dont for one second get paint and panel confused with dynamics and safety.

Im not sure what this is implying but I assure you, I am a moog certified mechanic with an accosiates degree in Automotic and Autotronics, not some know nothing, clueless, lack of theory, shade tree mechanic that has come up with a baseless theory. I have been working on this for more than 10 years. My experties has nothing to do with "paint and bodies". Now, I respect your knowledge of WRC mitsubishi shocks, but dont for one second confuse WRC mitsubishis with VW front suspension. That would be a bit like comparing MacPherson Strutt suspension to a 4 link suspension, or even modified MacPherson which are completely different than leaf sping suspensions or the horizontal leaf spring suspension that VW uses. They all are inherintly different and react differently to sprung wieght. This is to say nothing of shocks, which are mearly dampening devices. But if we are speaking of dampening devices now, there are many many different way to creat damening. Some of which have nothing at all to do with a gas/air/oil filled canister. These systems uses compresable items to absorb road irregularities. But they are not the only invention to ever do this. Just the latest.But with that in mind, VW suspension itself is out dated. This arguement could go on forever. You do what you do. One day it will all come out in the wash. I already know the truth, Ive been doing it for years. Your understanding or lack there of makes no difference to whether it works or not. It does without your understanding or aproval.

"Picture me rollin"