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seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#195326
You will see 🙂 if you dont sell 10 sets to the turbo guys i will be very supprised .I sold 23 in one day as far away as darwin .
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Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#195328
hahha yeh sweet

seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#195330
after talking to chopper over here tonight his turbo notch needs this fitted to make it more driveable .
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Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#195331
wat exatly does it do? is it just for adjusting the boost up and down

seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#195335
in an nut shell it allows you to SET how quickly you would like the boost to come on .This is as well how heigh it goes and to stop wast gate creep to 0.

I have one guy that buys these this is all he does all day this mod to cars .
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Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#195337
oh i see now yeh sound like it would be good for drivability... must sleep speck to you later

seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#195339
good night
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Craig Paton Wolfsburg Wizard

620 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#195393
My apologies for not replying sooner to all, servo went nuts.
Too bloody cold up here in Toowoomba!!
I have a '68 beetle with a 2.3 with ida's

Cheers Craig P.

fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#195426
Seagull and Alex - for Christ sake just pick up the phone and speak to each other. Reading this post was like reading a transcript from the world's most boring conversation competition.

> Don't you think?

> Why yes I do.

> You finishing this post now?

> Yeah I think so.

>Bye

> CYA

>CT

>:jesus
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Jeza Officially Full-On Dubber

353 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#195663
fullnoise wrote:Seagull and Alex - for Christ sake just pick up the phone and speak to each other.
One word - messenger!!!

Alex has got it - Seagull hasn't listed his.

I agree with you CT. It really thins out the useful info in these posts and doesn't need to be recorded / archived.

Cheers
Jeremy
......random gibberish for today.......

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#195710
Hey Guys,
Speaking of horsepower per engine size..

I was over at young Steve Natoli's the other week and he showed me the dyno results for his 2007cc IDA powered bug.

138hp at cbb and was running lean at the top end..... Is hoping for about 142 with proper jetting.


Matt

Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#195735
yeh stevos cars in a MACHINE alright!!! it move quick... that was the motor out of my car... sound awsome with straight cut cams gears..

fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#195742
Steve wins the horse power per litre at the rear wheel challenge. His 2007 makes a stomping 68.8.

Troy's 1916 is second with 63.2.

That's pretty damn good if you convert it back to flywheel horsepower. These old lawn mowers can be pretty efficient.

CYA CT
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#195756
Hey Alex,

It was injected when you had it... Is that the injection you have on the new motor?

I may have found a micro tech system with 50 mm throttle bodies, I have to check it out.

I also spoke to Darren Gurrola about some of his heads this morning...designed for 175-200hp... dont ask me the cost!!!!! Heads is where the power is, so I will order them tomorrow.

www.drdracingheads.com

Matt

BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#195772
Hey who was it that had 153hp a little while ago? and what makes the difference between something like jak's car and 153hp car, if i remember they seem similar in specs at a glance?
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!

Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#195793
yeh mine still fuel injection with 50 mm throttle bodies. compression makes a dif and fuel you run it on..

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#196290
Heads are a pretty big factor.
Matt

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#196307
No CT, Dave Beckers is second with 66 hp/l (2176cc 143.6hp).

I think his chart was posted after your post in this thread though....

Jak Rizzo Insano Dub Head

837 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#196316
BiX wrote:Hey who was it that had 153hp a little while ago? and what makes the difference between something like jak's car and 153hp car, if i remember they seem similar in specs at a glance?
Heads , compression & cam duration.
Jak

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#196335
Jak Rizzo wrote:
BiX wrote:Hey who was it that had 153hp a little while ago? and what makes the difference between something like jak's car and 153hp car, if i remember they seem similar in specs at a glance?
Heads , compression & cam duration.
Jak

And a stinger...which gave about 20hp on the dyno.

And it was 143hp, that's if we are talking about Daves car.


fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#196405
Hi Yall,

When Alex posted his results some people said, Gee I thought an engine that size would make more power. At that point I figured that his engine sounds big at 2332 but it is really only 22% bigger than my 1916. So to see how the two compared I divided the horse power by the engine size. I moved the decimal point up 3 places to get HP per litre rather than per cubic centimeter.

That led to the following which I think is damn interesting.
Steve 2007 68.8 HP per litre at the rear wheels (big $ berg heads)
Dave Becker 2174 66.1 " (street eliminators - ported and polished locally)
Troy 1916 63.2 " (p & p or cnc roundport 044s)
Alex 2332 58.4 " (street eliminators p & p locally)
Craig 1916 57.9 (street eliminators p & p by CB)

That leads me to believe the old saying that the power is in the heads. Those engines are many different cams, compression ratios and capacities there.

What do others think?

Sorry if this is too constructive and not abusive and petty.

CYA CT
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Craig Paton Wolfsburg Wizard

620 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#196416
What are the compression ratio's of all of these engines????
What carby's do they all run??
What muffler systems did these engines have at the time of the dyno??
What fuels did these engines use at the time on the dyno??
What is the purpose of the car?? [daily driver, hillclimber,hot street or strip]
And finally how fresh were these engines when they were dyno'd??????????

Cheers Craig Paton.:blah

[Edited on 1-7-2004 by Craig Paton]

[Edited on 1-7-2004 by Craig Paton]

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#196417
good comparison CT.

.........but it really comes down to the combo suited for the end use.

Take my combination/engine for example........... If I leave my motor exactly the same but only change the cam.........to say a fk89 (great HP cam for Drags) my engine would produce a lot more than what it has now. The down side would be that I loose the out of corner grunt and rev range I now have for hillclimb.

Instead of looking at the heads, what cam do the top two use.............FK89...best for peak HP.


It still gets back to the combination, I would be surprised if you can just narrow it down to heads........................although I may have a set of Eliminators for sale !!!(spare set, not off my motor!

😉)

[Edited on 1-7-2004 by Craig Torrens]


fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#196436
Fair point Craig. Perhaps then, a level playing field could be created by creating another hp and torque curve where each figure is divided by the engine size.

Then you could even chime in with a bang for your bucks index.

I bet the dyno dynamics software could build curves that show horsepower per litre at each rpm.

CYA CT :blah
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waltermitty Legend when my beer goggles are on

1,993 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#197636
Hey Alex , was Dieter still priming the throttle bodies with a Coke bottle on the dyno?
Nice to see you got the beast running. I am sure there is more HP to come from this little number.
Mitchell
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Alex Holzl 2332cc of pure BALLZ!!

1,550 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#198143
hahaha no we found out that the computer runs throw the taco to sence when the motor is cranking so it can give the right amount of fuel..

alex

seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#200277
bump for 71 super
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Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#200282
You should only use tacos if you're running a mexican case. I find burritos are also far too squishy for fuel injection setups 😀
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