A club here in S.A. has refused to allow people with alternative engined vws to join or be members.
A founding member has threatened to quit if suburu, holden v6 or any other engined volksies are allowed to join.
He has stated that the club rules state that the club is only for " vehicles with an engine manufactured by volkswagen".
So by the rules you can have a Purvis Eureka or a Holden EH as long as it has a volksie motor in it, so a SEAT engine in the type 3 is O.K..
But your suburu powered splitty or your v6 bay cannot join the club?
Now for the interesting bit.
There are members of the club who have Autocraft engines, these are not manufactured by VW.
Where does it end, the Scat crank in a type 1 engine is not manufactured by VW, the engle cam, the webbers some people use were not fitted by VW.
What about Okrasa, or empi??
Interestingly the founding member has an oval with a split rear window fitted,
Just for the record I think the more VWs on the road the better , who cares what engine is in it.
Some people like the looks of VWs but prefer the reliability and power of a newer engine, ( that should start some feed back?)
What do you think???.
Cheers
Dave
I think that person should shut their trap.
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Youve got to be joking, what a croc of shit. this guy isn't in touch with the world of vw's and vw club and the spirit of the car
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the purist sounds like he`s not so pure (a split window oval) so as Boozer says he should shut his trap😉
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How many of their members have engine's made buy Volkswagen with all VolksWagen bits.........lol
a lot of clubs wether they be model airplane, badminton or car tend to draw a few power trippin wankers who think they are the club and rule the roost ,smash him in the face with a subaru piston and send him home
[Edited on 18-7-2004 by david]
Because of this I know of 3 people who are not renewing their membership.
Cheers
Dave
there's probably gonna be more than that Dave.
It's a shame that politics always have to get in the way of everything.
Unless there is a bit of a shake up in the hierarchy of the club, it is in great danger of becoming stagnant.
I'm of the same opinion, the more VW's on the road the better, and it annoys me that some people have such a closed mind. Not only because my car is one of the offending non VW powered vehicles.
This mentioned club is for volkswagen "enthusiasts".
Would a person who wasn't enthusiastic about VW's bother with putting in the time, effort, and $$ into keeping their beloved VW on (or off) the road by giving it a new lease on life with a more reliable, more powerful, and arguably most importantly, a more economical engine?
can you tell that my VW doesn't have a VW engine in it?
[Edited on 18-7-2004 by vwtyp2]
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This subject came to head in Sydney many years ago when a kit car which didnt have a VW engine, only had VW suspension and trans won car of the day. Our club in Sydney has just had to learn to appreciate other peoples cars with any motor and our consititution doesent decriminate any longer. The scene in SA and the rest of Australia is to small to have many upsets, so tell the guy to pull his head in.
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57kombi wrote:A founding member has threatened to quit if suburu, holden v6 or any other engined volksies are allowed to join.
Let this guy quit. It'll be his loss not the clubs. Decisions like whether the club lets non-vw engined cars join needs too be a "club" decision, not one guys decision. It should got to vote at a club meeting. If it gets through, and this guy leaves, so be it.
Club VW Illawarra never used to allow non VW engined cars to be displayed as club vehicles. I dont know if it has changed now. In late 80's early 90's it came to a head and people left when a roatary engine became involved. Personally I agree with the idea.
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the problem is drawing the line. It easier to say its got to be vw powered, or also easy to say the club is for vw drivers and doesn't amtter what you drive as long as you like and enjoy vw's of any type. Having rukes in the middle is the hard part, as ppl will always being willing to push the rules, eg like some body said, what about a kit car which only runs vw suspension?
my pov is the club should be about the ppl an their love of anything vw. but that is my persoanl approach and that is why I joined the club i did, it has everything from ppl who like stock ovals through to ppl who run subaru powered carevlle's. the scene is to small to have little clubs for each section of the community.
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
What about people who currently don't own anything at all VW but have an interest in purchasing a VW? are they allowed to join?
I think clubs should be for people who have an interest in VW's, whether you own one or not.
Dave-I have known the said founding member for nearly 40 years and he would be the consummate VW fanatic.However,he has always had an open mind to modifying/hotrodding VW's of any type,so when I read about this in the Newsletter I was quite shocked. History tells me there is something deeper causing concern here??
What about people who currently don't own anything at all VW but have an interest in purchasing a VW? are they allowed to join?
technically no, because it is in the constitution that membership is only open to owners of VW powered vehicles.
I think clubs should be for people who have an interest in VW's, whether you own one or not.
yes, this tends to be the general consensus, apart from a small minority.
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just tell him to leave the club if he is not happy. these sort of people are the reason that alot of people interested in cars etc dont join clubs. besides, he can always start his own club, then he can make the rules whatever he wants.
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a club, by definition, is a collection of elitists or closed social group. So to see this attitude is not surprising.
However, if a club is too elitist then numbers dwindle, eventually to 1 or 2 members.
At one stage the only way to access Ringwood hillclimb track or King Edward Park racing was to be a member of the Newcastle MG club as they took over Newcastle Sporting Car Club, but initially they wouldnt let non-MG owners in at all, then had them as "associate" members, denying them any access other than entry to events, preference given to MG owners of course. (if maximum entry allowance was 100 entrants, and 2 were non MG owners, their entry would be returned to them if 2 MG owners wanted to run at the last minute).
I joined for about a year when I had the turbo crown so I could race it at ringwood. But this attitude gave me the sh*ts big time and I basically gave up racing in Newcastle since then. Stuff elitists, let them go live in their caves.
I am looking at joining Westlakes actually 🙂
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What that guy needs is to pull his head out of his arse.
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What club is it? I mean, I tend to agree with the guy if the rules are there. If the rule was just made recently, well that is bullshit, but if its a long standing rule, and thats the way the club wants to go, well thats their decision. My opinion is that a true VW has a VW engine in it, but I do admire VWs with other makes of engine....THere was also a question above about okrasa and empi, well, you cant question that, cause they are period made parts and accsesories for VW.
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Unity,
What I was saying was if the constitution states that it must have an engine manufactured by volks wagen.
Then if you fit empi, scat etc parts they were not manufactured by volkswagen therefore you would be breaking the rules of the constitution and could not join the club.
The founding member has stated "that the constitution is a legally binding document" and so all members with modified engines should be thrown out!!!!.
The whole point is if it is a club for people who like VWs, then who cares what engine it has.This way we get to see more on the road, and that surley is the best thing.
Cheers
Dave
I agree with most of that, As I am building a bug that is highly modified, but if thats the rules and have always been the rules, we all must repect that. YOu could always start another club in S.A and let all types of vw join, then you will see how this particular club goes. Its always nice thought to have a stock only type of club.....
yep. i agree with unity. if the club has been built on these rules and doesnt want to change, then really why should it. members that chose to agree will join and those that dont will form their own club. what you dont need is the animosity that members have for each other or one club for another over things like peoples choice of rides. htere is room for clubs and people with their own points of view. look at GFK in the states as an example...
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So technically, if you're driving to a club meeting and your VW motor falls out on the road, you're out of the club because you car is no longer VW powered. Which makes sense in an obscure way, because if your motor falls out, you're not going to make it to the club meeting, so you may as well not be in the club anyway if you can't make it to the meetings...
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Jeez, wonder if i can join with a New Beetle???? I keep getting told it's not a REAL Volkswagen 😉
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I have one and they let me in with it-so therefore they must be a real Volkswagen.
Sorry Unity and Twoguns but you are missing the point.
The rules of the club state that membership is for people with engines manufactured by volkswagen.
The founding member does not want other engines, fair enough but where do you draw the line and who draws it.
Auto craft is not manufactured by volkswagen but he doesnt have a problem with that?
Scat parts and empi or any of the numerous other parts are not manufactured by volkswagen, so should all the members who have these parts be kicked out.
The funny thing is , like I said before this member has a split window fitted into an oval.
Myself and quite a few other people just dont like the fact that one person can deciede what stays and what goes.
As always this is just my view.
Cheers
Dave
IT might be an engine BLOCK Thing, as it would almost be impossible to have an all VW engine in this day and age. BUt I say you take all these people with modified VWS and start your own club, and you will see who has the worries, let him have his hour of power, but when he relises that no-one likes his standard, he will either change or the club will die. it will be sad, but thats the way it goes sometimes. But Rules are rules, and if they are the rules they must be respected.
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Just to stand on the other side of the fence for a moment Dave,
Yes, the constitution is a legally binding document, and it does state that the club is for owners of VW powered vehicles.
The ONE person on the receiving end of most of this fiasco was advised BEFORE he joined the club that this was the case, and not to expect to be welcomed with open arms by all in the club.
The membership secretary admits to making a mistake in offering him membership.
It seems as though that this is the ONLY member/vehicle there is a problem with, although there are other members in the club who also have alternative powered VW's. But these other members also have VW's with VW engines, which makes them eligable for membership (even though the club member in question with the non VW engine is currently doing another engine conversion involving a VW engine, which was apparently known by the person with the issue before he kicked up about it).
As they say, the rules are the rules.
Maybe another club, with more emphasis on enjoying all VW's and less emphasis on politics isn't such a bad idea?
Oh, the split window oval thing, that's a genuine VW section grafted into a VW. So I guess that's still pure blood. 🙂
Not trying to defend anyone, just offering a different standpoint. 🙂🙂🙂
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