I fail to see where keeping it Volkswagen is a power trip.
If you say VW to someone outside our ranks, they will imediately think of a beetle or kombi & the "dak dak" noise they make because, in the end, the sound of an air cooled VW is as distinctive as the shape. I can hear a kombi coming from a block away.
As for this continual call that if it says VW it's the same breed as mine. So the next time I see someone get out of a Seat, I should embrace them & call them brother. I think not.
If it aint air cooled, it's an Audi
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Spook wrote:If you say VW to someone outside our ranks, they will imediately think of a beetle or kombi & the "dak dak" noise they make .
There are alot of people who associate the name VW with golf & new beetle
If it aint air cooled, it's an Audi
This debate again???? so i'm driving an audi???? would i have a case to sue VW for false advertising??
people..... GET OVER IT.... water cooled... air cooled...who gives a ^*$!... its all VW
see.... air and water do mix 😉
1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro
blutopless2 wrote:Spook wrote:If you say VW to someone outside our ranks, they will imediately think of a beetle or kombi & the "dak dak" noise they make .
There are alot of people who associate the name VW with golf & new beetle
If it aint air cooled, it's an Audi
This debate again???? so i'm driving an audi???? would i have a case to sue VW for false advertising??
people..... GET OVER IT.... water cooled... air cooled...who gives a ^*$!... its all VW
Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning ??????
might have... :cussing:cussing:cussing
:vader
see.... air and water do mix 😉
1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro
Pretty sure I just drew the line.......😎
But then my tastes vary, which makes me hard to get along with.
I'm a great believer in restoration, but I've built 2 bajas. I love cabrio's, but I'd walk past a hot axe conversion without a second glance. I own a 57 bus, but having driven a split kombi for a work truck for years, if I never drive a splitty long distance again it will be too soon. the much sought after Ghias do nothing for me, & the water cooled gear doesn't come into the equation.
Would I own a 2004 Caravelle? Yes, I would, but in my eyes, it would never be a kombi. Any more than one of those Californian concepts will ever be a beetle.
As for suing them cause it's got a VW badge, probably not. But rest assured they'll roast in hell for polluting the marque.
[Edited on 23-7-2004 by Spook]
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Spook wrote:Pretty sure I just drew the line.......😎
But then my tastes vary, which makes me hard to get along with.
I'm a great believer in restoration, but I've built 2 bajas. I love cabrio's, but I'd walk past a hot axe conversion without a second glance. I own a 57 bus, but having driven a split kombi for a work truck for years, if I never drive a splitty long distance again it will be too soon. the much sought after Ghias do nothing for me, & the water cooled gear doesn't come into the equation.
Would I own a 2004 Caravelle? Yes, I would, but in my eyes, it would never be a kombi. Any more than one of those Californian concepts will ever be a beetle.
As for suing them cause it's got a VW badge, probably not. But rest assured they'll roast in hell for polluting the marque.
[Edited on 23-7-2004 by Spook]
OF course a Caravelle is not a Kombi otherwise it would have been called a Kombi and not a caravelle. I am under the impression that VW has never referred to the "original" beetle as a beetle where as the new beetle is called a beetle from factory.
Therefore, unless I am totally off the beaten track does this make the new beetle the only beetle and the older style a wannabe ??????
And before you start sending me hissy replys to this post, this is not Rod writing this, it is Tracey aka ms cabrio. I am really pissed that some people on this forum are so small minded. I happen to be very proud of my new beetle. I couldn't care less what the rest of you think. It is probably more of a volkswagen than most of the "original" ones floating around in the world !
I joined this forum to meet people that shared the same passion as me, but my experience is being ruined by people that feel the need to bag other peoples cars and preferences. I know everyone has their own opinion, but KEEP it to yourself ! I don't write posts on this forum to upset others and I would appreciate it if people had the same respect for me and other watercooled owners. Sure there are some VW's that I hate but I keep that to myself and I would never post on a forum that I thought that X was crap or whatever.
Life would be boring if we all had the same taste, so lets just get on with it and celebrate that we love VW's no matter what the vintage !
see.... air and water do mix 😉
1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro
aye aye captain! couldn't agree more!
THe MC Bat Commander's motto: "Never do now, what you could do for 24 hours straight, all night, the night before."
OF course a Caravelle is not a Kombi otherwise it would have been called a Kombi and not a caravelle. I am under the impression that VW has never referred to the "original" beetle as a beetle where as the new beetle is called a beetle from factory.
that's right, and a Kombi was never called a kombi from the factory either, that is until this current model.
I joined this forum to meet people that shared the same passion as me, but my experience is being ruined by people that feel the need to bag other peoples cars and preferences. I know everyone has their own opinion, but KEEP it to yourself ! I don't write posts on this forum to upset others and I would appreciate it if people had the same respect for me and other watercooled owners. Sure there are some VW's that I hate but I keep that to myself and I would never post on a forum that I thought that X was crap or whatever.
Life would be boring if we all had the same taste, so lets just get on with it and celebrate that we love VW's no matter what the vintage !
this is the one of the most sensible posts on this thread.
I joined the Volks Enthusiasts Club of South Australia for the same reason.
I love Volkswagens, all of them, hell, I've had beetles, bays, splits, ovals, type 3's, a K.G., single cabs, double cabs, a panel van, now a Golf 4, and even a Seat Cordoba. (yes the Seat was eligable for membership)
Point is, I wanted to join a club that had members of a similar mindset and were all about enjoying their cars and appreciating others.
I wouldn't drive anything but a VW, and I need the practicality of a van.
But to get a 30 year old VW engine to match modern performance in terms of power AND reliability just isn't economically feasible.
this is why I bought a van that has a non VW engine in it.
When I blow someone off at the lights and they finally catch me and ask me what's in it, of course I reply it's a VW.
I don't know what the problem is with giving your car a heart transplant, I see it as giving it another lease on life, and keeping another VW on the road.
Most people seem normal, till you get to know them.
I really wanted a late model, powerful, reliable (try 1million km), multivalve, efi, boxer engine for my buggy. VW didn't make one of those (and if they did it probably wouldn't be economically viable for me in OZ). Even the after market couldn't supply one (if I had the money). I also couldn't justify the sort of money needed to get a powerful, reliable, efi, VW boxer engine. So I went for a Subaru. I'd like to think Subaru took the best of VW and improved on it when they designed my EJ series engine. That's the same thing all of us do when we modify a VW engine. I like to think people would try and understand the reasons why I did what I did and would respect them.
However, that doesn't mean they have to accept me into their club. The founding members of the club in question decided that particular things were important to them to make the club a proper VW club. Those things are written into their constitution. Anyone who wishes to join that club has to abide by those things and sign something to say they agree. Then the membership is legally binding. The man who is raising this issue in whatever club it is has a point and is right.
However, clubs are as much about people as cars. And, if there's no people, there's no cars. I'd like to think that the club (and the man) could come to an agreement about these sorts of issues or form a special section for people like myself who have chosen, for very good reasons, to use engines other than those made by VW.
And its amazing how far a little kindness and understanding goes. After all, the Volkswagen is 'the people's car'. :kiss
If people don't want you in their club then the answer is simple ..... join another ...... it will be their own loss when their club has to fold for lack of members and they go on cruise days by themselves
mscabrio wrote:If people don't want you in their club then the answer is simple ..... join another ...... it will be their own loss when their club has to fold for lack of members and they go on cruise days by themselves
hehehe... now who woke up on the wrong side of the bed?
see.... air and water do mix 😉
1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro
blutopless2 wrote:... I am really pissed that some people on this forum are so small minded... I joined this forum to meet people that shared the same passion as me, but my experience is being ruined by people that feel the need to bag other peoples cars and preferences. I know everyone has their own opinion, but KEEP it to yourself ! I don't write posts on this forum to upset others and I would appreciate it if people had the same respect for me and other watercooled owners. Sure there are some VW's that I hate but I keep that to myself and I would never post on a forum that I thought that X was crap or whatever.
I couldn't care less what the rest of you think.
I think that perhaps you do care just a little bit. I dont know how this thread is pointing where it is. I dont think anyone has said watercooled cars suck. A couple have said they arent into them. Thats all.
I understand the reasons behind the jap engine conversion. I've done a couple of them. But that doesnt change the rules of the club. If they are there in black and white, thats it, debate over.
How many people with twisted knickers are from the particular club and how many are having a rant?
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
How many people with twisted knickers are from the particular club and how many are having a rant?
I am from the particular club, and I own one of the offending vehicles.
Most people seem normal, till you get to know them.
The point was!!!!
The constitution states that the vehicle must have an engine manufactured by VW,
When is it still manufactured by VW??, when it could have an after market crank etc.
I have no problem with the rules but who deceides when to follow the rules and when not to???.
Cheers
Dave
Spose it depends on which part of the engine you want to count, doesn't it?
All sounds abit too hard to me. :duh
Maybe you need a constutional referendum(b) :thumb
how about a senate inquiry? we havent had one of them in a while
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Well I would say that an aftermarket crank would be eligible. Apart from the flat 4 configuration a subaru has nothing related to VW. There is a bit of a difference between an aftermarket crank and a jap engine. It is a VW engine with a different crankshaft. But its got nothing to do with me. I still say that the discussion on here is pointless and irrelevant. Take it to the club meeting, call an extraordinary meeting, debate it there, whether it be to uphold the original constitution, clarify it, or change it.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
THAT CLUB HAS LOST ITS MOMENTUM TO BECOME ONE OF THE BEST CLUBS IN OZ, THANKS TO A GROUP OF NOB JOCKEYS!!!!!!!!!!
It'll be interesting to see how well the club can navigate now with it's head up it's ass.
there's quite a few disgruntled members after wednesday's A.G.M.
:cry:cussing
Most people seem normal, till you get to know them.
The person who is always quoting the constitution, stated on Wednesday night that you couldnt own a Holden with a vw motor cause the constitution states it must be a volkswagen.
But the constitution states, Definition of a volkswagen: ANY vehicle powered by an engine manufactured by vw.
This is why the club is going down hill, too many people who think the club is theirs and decieding what rules to follow and who has to abide by them.
I did over here one person ask this founding member if he was still allowed to be in the club as his engine was manufactured by Autocraft??, the founding member said " yeah thats alright as its a volksie motor", is it because this person donates a lot to the club??
"me being a cynic again"
Autocraft is as volksie as a suburu.
Sorry if this is boring to other people on this site but it is very important to the members here in S.A..
After Wednesdays AGM, I bet we will see a couple of breakaway clubs.
I for one have not rejoined the club and cant be bothered with it all.I dont need the bull s#!t.
I will just do my own thing and meet up with other like minded people who also think we dont need the club.
Thats all for my rant.
Cheers
Dave
Any vehicle powered by an engine manufactured by vw.
Now if we were in court many lawyers would be interepreting this one in different ways...
1. ANY VEHICLE powered by an ENGINE MANUFACTURED BY VOLKSWAGEN
--- A Volkswagen powered Ford Laser is any vehicle powered by a VW engine
2. ANY VEHICLE powered by an engine MANUFACTURED BY VOLKSWAGEN
--- A Commodore engined kombi is any vehicle manufactured by Volkswagen powered by an engine.
If people are sloppy writing a constitution then interepretations are legal. Time for ammendments either way....
its alright we all have to have them some time dont we? its good for getting the frustration out
“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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that bloke at the top is a total retard:vader
Where to draw the line? this is always a problem for any desicions of purity.
But the answer is always at the same place. the beginning. what was the original design parameters. a 4 wheeled independent suspension AIR-COOLED motor with a seperate chassis and a airflow designed body. Now anything that has these items and a factory stamped number on it qualifies as a pure vw(engine internals do not matter as we do do not scrutinies internals, but would eliminate autokraft/scat blocks). This covers all factory production and coach built bodies. I am sure that the Rolls-Royce Club (now owned by VW do they quailfy)would not welcome a holden powered roller to their club even though they sold bare chassis and engines to coachbuilders. This does not mean that the other members with modified vw should be excluded but could/should be affiliated to the original club and share the vw experience with the original members. anyone who thinks that the n.b is anything more that a marketing idea is kidding themselves, the amount of wasted space to fit the concept body is a joke. just my 2cents worth no offence intended.
Problem: I got probed by Aliens last night...............and I think I like it!.........E.T call ME.
"Where to draw the line? this is always a problem for any desicions of purity.
But the answer is always at the same place. the beginning. what was the original design parameters. a 4 wheeled independent suspension AIR-COOLED motor with a seperate chassis and a airflow designed body. Now anything that has these items and a factory stamped number on it qualifies as a pure vw(engine internals do not matter as we do do not scrutinies internals, but would eliminate autokraft/scat blocks)." Eirecooled.
Well that rules out all the water cooled (VW boxer engine) transporter owners too. I'm sure they'll be thrilled about that. NOT!!
Oh and what about the guys who deliberately put the water pumper boxer engines in beetles to stay loyal to their club and VW badge? What about if I choose to put Subaru water cooled heads on my air-cooled cylinders? It's been done you know.
It's the same ol same ol, "oh no...change! we can't have change!"
Half the reason people do up cars is to be different. Kick out all those people and I reckon there'd be 2-3 purists max left in every club. Maybe we could make all the purists join one club together and then they could all suffer eachother and grow up abit.
VWs changed over the years you know, It's ok for us to as well.
......snussin rushin, people with small brains.......😠
P.s. If you wanna know what ticks me off, it's people who put Beetle bodies on front engined chassis with a V8 in them and then pretend they are doing something different. Freakin meatheads! Sorry about that I was just blowing off some steam.🙂
[Edited on 8-8-2004 by pete wood]
pete wood wrote:P.s. If you wanna know what ticks me off, it's people who put Beetle bodies on front engined chassis with a V8 in them and then pretend they are doing something different. Freakin meatheads!
...so when the body on our short wheelbase early patrol is too far gone and we put a beetle body on it because it's the same demensions, does that make us "meatheads"?
THe MC Bat Commander's motto: "Never do now, what you could do for 24 hours straight, all night, the night before."
mscabrio wrote:Does it really matter ?????
All this argy bargy about what is a VW and what is not and the debate between air cooled and water cooled is just too boring for words !!!!!!.... Why don't we all just join hands and celebrate our VW's ( oooh this makes me sound like a hippy !!!!!). To me being a member of the VWCV means that I can meet up with like minded people. You don't have to own and drive a VW to be a part of the spirit, it is all in the heart not in what is in the garage !!! (I think that I need to lie down after spinning all that crap !!!!!!)
Interesting quote...
amazer wrote:blutopless2 wrote:... I am really pissed that some people on this forum are so small minded... I joined this forum to meet people that shared the same passion as me, but my experience is being ruined by people that feel the need to bag other peoples cars and preferences. I know everyone has their own opinion, but KEEP it to yourself ! I don't write posts on this forum to upset others and I would appreciate it if people had the same respect for me and other watercooled owners. Sure there are some VW's that I hate but I keep that to myself and I would never post on a forum that I thought that X was crap or whatever.
I couldn't care less what the rest of you think.
I think that perhaps you do care just a little bit. I dont know how this thread is pointing where it is. I dont think anyone has said watercooled cars suck. A couple have said they arent into them. Thats all.
I understand the reasons behind the jap engine conversion. I've done a couple of them. But that doesnt change the rules of the club. If they are there in black and white, thats it, debate over.
How many people with twisted knickers are from the particular club and how many are having a rant?
Hmmmm
Boozer wrote:...so when the body on our short wheelbase early patrol is too far gone and we put a beetle body on it because it's the same demensions, does that make us "meatheads"?
No it doesn't boozer, because that really is different.
😉
I was talkin about the drag racing crowd and the usual predictable machines that seem to surface there. After all, if you put a 500 cubic inch motor in anything it's bound to go fast. Sorry if I offend anyone, that's just the way I see it.:o
P.s sorry for getting off topic
🙁
[Edited on 9-8-2004 by pete wood]
nah I see where your coming from and for the most part I agree. I was just prodding to get a response...:thumb
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