"twiddle-dee-dee, that will require a tetanus shot"?
(The moderator logs now contains who moved threads... it was not me).
Andrew
I was glad to see some sensible replies and constructive views.:beer
I'm going to top this thread for all to keep reading.
Love youse, love youse all:P
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personally i think this is a bit of a crock. i mean let common sense prevail and stomp on the toes of those who overstep the line, but hey, bone collector is more then welcome to his views, but i personally reckon this is being a bit anal (does that seem like a 'fad of the moment word' to anyone?? i hate using it but it seems approprite...) chances are if your old enough to be participating in the aussie v dubbers experience then you've sworn your guts out more then once.... we're all adults here (well mostly) so lets just act it and enjoy the forum and stop the bullcrap....including this witch hunt. dont turn this place into a tip but dont steal the colours from the rainbow...after all, a swear word is only a word after all and it is the prudes of society that attach the stigma of the meaning being 'offensive and rude'....lets embody the volkswagen spirit and just live life and have fun without makin rules and boundaries to govern and dictate the good times.....
ps- please feel open to criticise and argue. i'm open minded, and my opinion is only one raindrop of many.... thanks dubbers.
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
MikeM wrote:I agree there is far to much use of profanity on the forum. Nearly every post there is someone swearing. I personally don't like reading profanity and I agree that it reflects badly on all forum members as we basically condone it by not saying anything.
Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to an opinion and free speech and all that, but you don't need to use profanity to get your point accross.
Maybe we should start a poll on this, and then the Moderators can turn the filter on that blocks out profanity.
That's my 2c.
I Agree with Mike 200%...
I think some people believe they are talking to ONE other person... so keep the swearing etc out....
I don't use bad launguage & I don't like seeing here all the time... this is a Public Forum read by everyone.... Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
then again if you are gunna post volatile and insulting posts you are gunna get a response in kind.
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I would imagine that I have the most colourful vocabulary on the forum since its inception & probably will continue to do so.
I aint about to change & I aint about to apologise. I type like I speak.
This is a forum. A meeting place for the exchanging of opinions.
Now, opinions are like arseholes. Everybodys got one. But if we all had the same opinion there would be no f#cking point!
Discretion is different.
I saw yesterday, what would have to be the worst colour combination I have ever seen on a car. But I can't tell you what it was because it was a beetle, & may well be a member.
While I have no doubt they think it's the ducks guts, I'd have em strung up by the balls.
Anthony, it's this "group hug" bullshit that has led to the demise of the great Aussie bloke. I'll settle for a hand shake..............
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Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
I think the worst bit is the some people take what other people say the wrong way with out thinking maybe they meant some other meaning. It is very easy to just question their meaning with them politely with a post or u2u before going nuts in a post
but that is just me
Marc
If you can't laugh at yourself you can't laugh at anyone else! Because life is to short not to LAUGH
i'm with spook. all the way.
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
I'm glad to see this discussion has made an impression.
Midlife crisis wrote:I think the worst bit is the some people take what other people say the wrong way with out thinking maybe they meant some other meaning.
then maybe the person putting on the post should reread their statement and ask themselves if it can be misinterpreted. this might save the hassle of people having to ask.
see.... air and water do mix 😉
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wow, i must have missed the "offending post"........
but this is an interesting thread....and one that has come up before in different forms (ie. what is/isn't ok to post on the forum.....nudity, swearing etc etc)
i am definately guilty of bad language......but i do try to contain myself...but any of you that have met me probably know that i swear a lot in "real life" and (hopefully) not in a negative way....i like to think of them as "adjectives" hehehe.
anyway, i agree with earlier posts on this, we are generally "adults" here, and guided by the same "social norms" here on the INTERNET as we would be in REAL LIFE.
what wouldn't be appropriate to say face to face with someone, shouldnt be tolerated here either (and by that i mean "bagging" out some body's ride or something, being nasty etc - just because you can't see someone's face doesnt mean they are "annonymous"........we all are real people with a shared passion for volkswagens....keep it civil, keep it clean, keep it out of the gutter - and that way we can enjoy a forum where we can all learn and share and all the lovey hippy-stuff we are all so into...eheheheh)
anyway, i apologise for my swearing, i will try not to so much in the future, oh yeah, and for my bad spelling too......
but i guess my point is, don't "hide" behind your internet-persona, the volkswagen scene is a small one, and one day you'll probably meet the person you have been bagging.
and yeah, try to abide by the normal "rules" of society, you know, not too crude, not too rude, no thongs or singlets heheheh......
anyway, thats my opinion for what its worth,
thor🙂
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I think you have it all backwards people.
When the rules were mooted 12 months ago or so, I bought this up.
There are now some 2600 members on this forum. (ya did good young Jim).
2600 individuals, 2600 opinions & 2600 different ways of looking at something.
How the hell can anyone hope to be able to write something that will not be offensive or remotely percieved to be offensive to any one or group of 2600 people that you wouldn't know from a bar of soap?
It can't be done, & if you could do it you would acheive instant sainthood. But with me being an athiest, the sainthood would offend me & your back to square one.
Can't win, don't try.
And as I said then, you can't take away someones right to be an arsehole.
It's the people who get offended that need the attitude adjustment.
LIFE'S A BITCH & THEN YOU DIE........DEAL WITH IT.
I think the most amusing part of this thread is the statement at the bottom of Bone collecters posts.
It is well known that I'm no fan of water cooled VWs, & if you ask me I will tell you so. IF YOU ASK!!
I don't jam it down the bottom of every one of my posts.
Some folks should practice what they preach.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
HAHA. rock on!:cussing:cussing:cussing:cussing
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
With you all the way Spook.
Letsm just get on with it.
Cheers
Dave
If memory serves Dave, you always were.
Gunna be a pity the day we meet & can't stand each other........:beer
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
I agree that we are all adults here but reading some comments it amazes me how bitchy and nasty some people can get. To me the language is not an issue, I'm a tradesman so it comes naturally!
The issue to me is the lack of respect some people show to others and their rides or posts/opinions. The chatroom is a good one for it, a certain scavenging bird often seen at the tip is a good example.......
You can't slate people because you think you can hide behind your computer.
If you have a problem with someone, take up with them somewhere else, preferably face to face.
Chances are that most wouldn't dare!
The fact is someday you might meet that person and you'll look like a prize d...head when they are not what you expected........(read BIG)
Save red faces and as my good old mum says "If you have nothing to say then say nothing at all"
No need to kiss and hug, but common sense and decency is all that is needed........
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Keep it friendly people.
Andrew
Spook, you are incredible. Drving friggen trains for days at a time, probably more like months at a time, and manage to come back to this thread, which is right up your alley so far it is choking you.. incredible.
I recall the first time we spoke about this, (btw this is about the fifth time this has been raised), I basically said that I can't and won't have an opinion on this topic, as you may recall Spook. Well, bugger that now, as I believe everyone is adult enough to be able to handle it.
I agree with Spook, in some sort of calmer way.. I still firmly believe that you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time.. One of the first things I learnt in Sales. Am I right Daz? It still just simply boils down to common sense, thats it. Some of us have more than others; okay, granted, but for christ sake people use ya heads and all will be fine. It also comes down to if the individual is opinionated. If they are, then they are going to be prepared for the backlash and aftermath of stating their opinion if it is so ground shaking.. If they are not, then they will nod, laugh, shake their head, growl and possibly even swear..
But it will not be typed.. It will be whilst they look at the monitor.
Imagine where we would be if people didn't have opinions? As a forum, where would we be? Wouldn't be much to read. Wouldn't be 2600 people ultimately. And they are only the registered ones.. You can nearly double that I reckon. What would they be reading if there was no opinions?
It is just how people voice their opinions, and sometimes we are all guilty of using language as an emotional expression of how passionate we feel about things, and under no circumstances should it be used to abuse people. Thats where we have been having a problem recently.
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another way to look at it might be that there are umpteen threads multiplied by as many posts. There are as many opinions as there are posts. Some posts are gunna rub some other posters the wrong way, then away it goes.
However out of all that many posts the aggro / swearing / insulting / blasphemous ones are in the minor part of a minority. (I didn't look up the stats so that is another opinion)
It would be a bland old place if everyone agreed on everything I reckon (another opinion).
As for swearing; well sometimes I reckon it adds colour and flair so why not?
[Edited on 14-8-2004 by Dubnut]
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What can I say? These sort of threads just call to me brother.
Spook, it says, some one is trying to stifle your freedom on the forum.
Weird huh?
I didn't even get to see what kicked it off. Wasn't me this time, which makes a change.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
Jeez...... it's easy to see nothing has changed around here.
There is always somebody starting something, and it wasn't me this time either.
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What do they say, you cant please all of the people all of the time.
If you dont like something, hard luck, we are mostley adults on this site and we have all heard everything, so get on with it.
I believe that the minority of minors who visit this site would here a lot worse at school! even primary school.
This is a forum for people to express themselves, so please dont try and tell us what we can or cant talk about or how we articulate.
Cheers
Dave.
My point of view and if you dont like it I dont care, cause its mine.
Well.... Ill put in my 2cents..... I dont think i have ever said anything i would not say to someones face but... can i can say that i use a lot more of the hmmmmm swearing words in person when i get carried away or annoyed. I dont use the words on the forum just because i maybe taken the wrong way but you can not change the person you have to accept them for who and what they say.
But even if a filter is put on the forum you are in a way your dictating what members can say and how they can express them selves.
You have a couple of options if you see something you dont like then DONT KEEP READING THE POST AND HAVE A SPIT sure put your opinion but remember that you may hurt someones feelings and expect something to be said back. The other is move on and get over it. Dont keep pushing your own thoughts across on someones thread. The next one is if you know the person that uses the type of words that you dont like reading or hearing then dont hang around on that post and skip it.
I agree also that no matter what someone says or writes it will never go over smoothly with 100% of forum members, as someone always jumps in and says something negative and had a dig.
I never saw the post about the BAJA Bug with the non VW Engine in it but hay if you are not going to say something constructive dont say anything at all in that instance as all he wanted to do is show his paint job.
I am probably woffling but its just my 2cents
I think all in all its a great place to exchange ideas and get to know ppl around Australia that have and love VW's and to find out what other people are doing.
Moniek
[Edited on 14-8-2004 by Mrs M]
Every time my Baja is in a Show, I over hear at least one or as many as ten negative comments about Baja's.
I also hear a lot of positive things about mine, but last year while I was on a Cruise Some body said to his mate, while he was looking at my Car.
I hate these ugly things and pointed at my Baja.
I turned around and said "who (F___ING) asked you DICK HEAD"
He didn't stick around to answer.
So I guess the Forum isn't that diffrent to real life.
I wouldn't say anything here, that I wouldn't say face to face.
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And so the circle continues to go round.
This debate will go on ad nauseum because there isn't really an answer.
As Jim pointed out, this would be the 4th or 5th time this has come up. I have no doubt it will happen again.
What's changed?? Fuck all really.
Because there is nothing wrong with the way it is.
If you wrap the forum in cotton wool & make sure all posts are warm & fuzzy, you'll have 20 members left by the end of the month.
If we all had my 'fuck em if they can't take a joke' attitude, you'll have a different 20 members left by the end of the month, but 20 members just the same.
You need the mixture to make the forum.
The language; As I said I type like I talk. This is me. How many of those I met at the nationals were shocked & stunned that every third word that came out of my mouth was "four letter"? Or was it exactly what you expected?
I've not asked anyone to like it, but I really don't care if you don't.
The comments; For the most part I think the members show great restraint with their comments.
I"ll bet there is barely a person among us who hasn't written "I think your wrong" or "I disagree", when every sinew in their body was screaming - Will you get this into your pointy head you fucking imbecile!!!!!!
But no one actually writes it.
If you did, that's where the moderators step in & remove it.
By the same token, if you can't take criticism, don't ask people what they think. The only person that thinks like you IS you. Not everyone will agree.
This thread will disappear into obscurity, the same as every other one before it. Nothing will change.
There's no need to fix something that just aint broken....😎
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
I'm a member on another Car Forum that is unrelated to VW's.
Most of us on there have Met and know each other in real life. (face to face)
We swear and talk on the Forum like we would on the Street.
eg. Shut up tool, Get fucked, Your car looks like a Rice Burner and some C__T at a Work shop did a shit job and over charged me.
They call each other names, question there sexuality and even photo shop stupid photos of each other.
I often read things on that Forum and think that wouldn't last 2 seconds on Vee dubbers Forum without starting a shit fight.
But no body Complains and as far as I know nobody has been hurt, it's just like stuffing around at work.
If somebody says something you don't like about your Car, tell them to get Fucked. Or mind there own business, you will feel a whole lot better.
Or they could bash you, one of the two. 😉
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I just thought of another thing, If somebody doesn't like your Car why cant they keep there OPION to them self’s.
I mean seriously, I have never walked up to somebody and said that what they think is nice on there Car looks shit, even if I think it does.
Or I haven’t said it out loud so they can hear it.
So as it has already BASICLY been mentioned countless times in this thread.
" If don't have any nice to say, than say nothing."
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What's this all about?
Waters for pussies. Air cooled power.
And from the prude who started things! (BTW - that's just me being a naughty little smart arse - sorry Dude!).
Maybe there should be an online therapist for all those who are hurt by opinions or personality or those highly toxic four letter words? Or maybe a warning smily at the start of the post? Skull and cross pistons or something.
I'm with the forum dinosaurs on this. Who'd have thought that someone who uses those four letter words (Spook) could express a point so eloquently. Hurrah - pip pip and tally ho what old Bean!