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aggri1 Insano Dub Head

824 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#231192
vwombat wrote:Isn't going to War the most severe decision that a country and its leader's can make?
...
Sure, talk about interest rates if you're stupid enough to ignore the more important issues.
That's too right. I am saddened that so many people will just ignore the fact that he lied to us about 'the' most serious issue. Now they're saying, yeah well so Saddam didn't have weapons but the people are better off, and it's therefore OK that we were all lied to. :repuke

First of all, the people will be better off sometime in the future, not now, as it seems pretty chaotic to me, judging by all the terrorism and stuff that the invasion instigated.

Secondly, if that were a valid argument (just lets pretend for a second), then where does it end? That's the question. Like wombat said, there are a heap of other dodgy corrupt despotic governments, but I guess they must not have oil, oops, I mean weapons of mass delusion. Did you know that Nazi tactics employed by Goebbels, the Nazi Propaganda Minister, seem to be alive and well here and abroad: tell them the same lie often enough, and they'll believe it. Hah! Interest rates!

Yay for free speech, now lets see if we can get some real democracy, no, I'll rephrase that: how about some real CHOICE, that'd be even better.

Also, while I was in Europe, our treatment of asylum seekers, however it had been portrayed by the media there, was seen to be shameful for us. As in, people avoided it as though I would be embarrassed to be australian when talking about it. I can't say I wasn't.

Lets not try to ban politics on this forum: as long as we can have sensible adult discussions, in threads dedicated to the topic, without resorting to personal attacks, then what's the harm?

(PS: I can't believe that Howard is really stupid, I don't mean to make this a personal attack, much as that might be a stress-relieving activity).

EDIT: oh $2, don't do that. Step away from the vacuum bag. We'd miss you.

[Edited on 10-9-2004 by aggri1]

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#231194
Heather - we love you Babe! You make us seem somehow Normal!
Don't cry!

And aggri - right on Bro!

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#231195
Aargh - the Lib's are ahead! (Not on preferences though!) I'm leaving in disgust!

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#231201
:cry the world is wacked........... could write up a big speil about how corrupt everyone is,, the suffering of innocent victims caught up in war, starvation, disease, children maimed etc............ but I think I'll just go watch the news instead,, see how the boys are doing. Mark is definately a lot spiffier than johnnie (he could do with a eyebrow wax )...ooh It's nice to see them getting out and about meeting up with "real" people :blah ... :duh Why do they think they are entitled to such huge super funds for doing jack, when people are dying on hospital waiting lists, etc etc....(oops nearly slipped)... :duh ..... I think I'll go find something else to do, think i might go to the pub so I can find someone to breed with.. theres big $$ in it you know 😉 :cry

mountainbug LindaLop

183 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#231237
My 2 bobs worth
Mate.... little johnny use to pack supermarket shelfs.. how this can the man run a country..... i say.... a proverb that starts with f and ends with m..... got you guessin---- answer - fuckem
they all the same.

Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#231306
hehe right on oasis 🙂

Yeah Thats anoterh issue, the whole refugee thing.

Sure I can understand quotas for logistical reasons, but keeping entire families in limbo in appalling conditions is just inhumane. Also the whole children overboard thing...

The whole liberal attitude to refugees was just like how European countries were in the 20's and 30's. After WWII a lot of european countries felt they had blood on their hands as they had turned away a lot of Jewish refugees during the war - they changed their laws.
Jon

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#231325
Has anyone seen Farenheit 911? I have and it is appalling if what he alleges is half true.

[Edited on 10-9-2004 by silver]
Keeping it real !

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#231336
Another good film to see on how the corporate/government distorts the truth and forces compliance is Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent"
part 1 is "Thought Control in a Democratic Society"
part 2 is "Activating Dissent"

A great film almost a course in intellectual self-defence Michael Moore is a great student of his.

Encourages people to look beyond the sound bites and headlines to find out what is really going on.

"The information is there but it's there to the fanatic, you know, somebody who wants to spend a substantial part of their time and energy exploring it and comparing today's lies with yesterday's leaks and so on... The easy thing to do, you know, you come home from work, you're tired, you've had a busy day... so you turn on the tube and say it's probably right you know, or you look at the headlines in the paper and then you watch the sports or something. That's basically the way the system of indoctrination works. Sure the other stuff is there. but you're going to have to work to find it."

I'm so glad I have been trained and that it's in my nature not to believe half of what I read and none of what I see. I'm one of those who loves to look deeper and i have the job to give me access to those tools and resources and plenty of academics to discuss and help. However knowing the myth from the fact is often a burden.



[Edited on 10-9-2004 by HotRodMatt]

DoNkEy Wolfsburg Wizard

684 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#231392
EWW ITS AN EVEN RACE!
watched bowling for coloumbine today.....I am glad Australia has gun laws

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#231437
Chomsky's one of my heros, as is John Pilger. I have a DVD of an interview with him at Harvard University called Distorted Morality. I reckon Matt for President. I'll lend you 50K... Maybe not. As for your comments on TV etc... I read books that are researched properly and I don't have a TV. I don't listen to the radio or read newspapers. People have the nerve to tell me that I'M into those "conspiracy theorists". You tell me what's more of a conspiracy, a newspaper claim/TV news "ad"/radio news bulletin with NO cross references, or an author of a book who researches for years by often personally talking to the heads of countries and armies, at the same time putting his own life at great risk. Although Mike Moore is at the pop art end of journalism, he has appealed to the greatest audience of anyone in his field of work, and for that he should be applauded, if for no other reason than more people will find out who influenced him. Why would he lie about anything in Fahrenheit 911? He has no motive to lie... His life is threatened every day because of his movies.

Go and see the movie Control Room and see the footage of the Iraq war that America won't show of Iraqi civilians on fire, being shot, amputated etc... You won't see that on Australian or U.S. TV because we will always side with real living and breathing people.
Check this out... http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

We only see a dehumanised enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan. "Muslims", "Islam", "Al Qaeda", "Taliban" all conjure up images instantly in our heads. Thanks to the media the images are most likely of suicide bombers, terrorists, fundamentalists etc... If you want to see a real fundamentalist in action, take a hard look at George.W. Bush, who will bomb a country in the name of his God, using the authority of his God, on behalf of the people of the (Western) world, and against our will. The world was raging against him, and he went to war anyway.

Who put Saddam into power? Who bombed Iraq with uncoated Nuclear warheads in 1991 (to infiltrate the water system, soil,etc)? Who has a business relationship with Osama Bin Laden? Who's economy is 7% owned by the Saudis? Who bombed Pharmaceutical plants in Somalia so that no medicines are available to them? Who won't let simple medicines like aspirin, pennicillin, pain killers etc.. into Iraq because those Pharmaceuticals supposedly could be used to make weapons of mass destruction? Iraqis are operated on without anaesthetics, including amputations etc.. for this reason alone.

Did you know Americans don't need a passport to fly to iraq. It's considered a part of the U.S. I know this is a bloody long post but I haven't even skimmed the surface. I realise that half or more of you probably think this is bullshit but that's because it wasn't on the TV, and I know those of you who don't believe it won't research it yourself to see if it's true of not.
That's my 10 billion cents worth...
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#231491
This thread is now starting to get interesting...

One must remeber one of the great lies of our Government.

The Hilton Bombing. The most significant "terrorist" act on Australian soil - and seemingly perpetrated by a branch of the government.

It was only because of Terry Griffiths' "fanatic" exploration and digging that anything like the truth is coming to light. For those who don't know - Terry was the police officer who survived the blast. Even after having his stomach spread all over George Street and even still to this day 26 years later bring tears when he speaks of it.

He knew as clearly as anyone who didn't believe the Ananda Marga crap that Tim Anderson had nothing at all to do with the bombing.

It has only been recently that the great lie has begun to unravel.

Most theories point to ASIO or similar being involved. At the time the only dog squad was the military sniffer squad. Before the Commonwealth Heads of Government Conference the were being intensively trained to find bombs. On the Thursday before the conference they were stood down.

The bin outside the Hilton was overflowing onthe day of the blast. Police stationed there were told not to allow the garbage collectors to empty the bins. Terry Griffiths' shift was not informed of this. When the bin was emptied 3 people died and Terry was torn to pieces.

Griffiths was told of NSW Special Branch involvement in the bombing while he was recovering from the bombing, performing light duties at Blacktown police station in 1979.

“A member of the Special Branch who had come there sees me in a room as he's walking past and comes back and says `Terry Griffiths, victim of the Hilton bombing'. I said yeah, he said, `I've got something to tell you', and he told me that the person who made the bomb warning phone call was a member of the Special Branch. He was in a motor vehicle in George Street with other security force members.”


ASIO was facing a funding cut at the time - surprise surprise they were quick to respond when some say they were actually there to "discover it" before its explosion. The funding ended up being increased!

But why would Australian security forces bomb an Australian hotel? Griffith believes that they “were trying to stage the event.

“They were going to sandbag the outside receptacle; they were going to have the robot there and shoot the bullet in and blow it up. The phone call was going to be made, we were going to be notified, then the army called in, the police ballistics called in, the media called in.

“ASIO and other security forces believed that this was the ideal moment to stage what was pretending to be the beginning of terrorist activities in this country.”

He points out that, as a result of the explosion, ASIO was given immunity from prosecution for its illegal activities, as well as an expanded staff and budget.


In a Senate enquiry many years later regarding the event Gareth Evans is quoted as saying "Nothing ASIO does, including murder, is illegal."

Most of the information is available now even to people who aren't inclined to work for the truth. Look it up and see how deceitful our Government is at it roots.

[Edited on 10-9-2004 by HotRodMatt]

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#231516
Stolen generation...
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

DoNkEy Wolfsburg Wizard

684 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#231588
so where do we get this movie "control room"

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#231719
Noam Chomsky is one of the world's greatest minds and souls! It's a shame that he isn't up for President of the U.S. Great to hear support for the man!

Michael Moore rocks, because he brings interesting facts to the "unwashed" masses (or media brainwashed as the case may be). Anyone who knows Chomsky, knows like minded people, and that whole lefty intellectual movement tends to feed on itself too much. It can be inaccessible for newbies, and often doesn't do enough to preach to the non-converted.

But what does this thread boil down to? The interest rates SCARE is a pathetic sham. Australians are now squarely in the sights of international terrorists thanks to John. Macro economic issues guide the performance of our globally "relatively insignificant" economy. WE HAVEN'T HELPED IRAQ - WE HAVE JUST HELPED SCAR IT'S PEOPLE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. By putting business relations and financial opportunism ahead of the truth, we have lost face, and proven to be the lap dogs of a bullying superpower. Howard lies and/or is incompetent. Latham is untested (but the Politicians behind him aren't - so get over it), Brown is a pillar of common sense and integrity, and the rest?

Ah, make up your own minds. For me, dollars simply aren't as important as truth and respect. John has injured my national pride by leading this country in an "un-Australian" way (by my definition).

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#231823
I agree VWombat, but once a person with truth and respect gets into power, the truth and respect invariably goes out the window under the pressure of showing the bottom line. It will be interesting to see what happens to Peter Garrett with time. I've been thinking that if you can use a wrong motive as incentive for good outcomes then that's a good thing, e.g. if you can show the Tasmanian government that they'll make lots of money if they DON'T log the Styx forest (through tourism of whatever) then we'll all get the outcome we were after. You can tell people until you're blue in the face that if you cut down a forest there will be a significant drop in the amount of oxygen produced, loss of water, loss of native wildlife, global warming etc.. BUT if you tell them that they'll make MORE MONEY if they keep the forest, their eyes light up and they all say OK. Same outcome, everyone happy. So, if money is the bottom line then let's use it to our advantage. It's in our financial interest to leave Iraq. It's in our financial interest to reject the FTA, It's in our financial interest to build a proper public transport service, It's in our financial interest to have free healthcare, It's in our financial interest (in the long run) to offer free education... etc.... Social justice could make us a lot of money as a country.:thumb
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

karmannghia60 Karmann Ghia Sucker

1,459 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#232162
So after seeing the debate last night, anyone changing their mind?

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#232177
Nope. My position is still the same. I won't be encouraging the bastards.

A few elections ago I was involved in the Vote Neither campaign. The guy who took most of the responsibility for the campaign, Albert langer, was jailed for his efforts in showing people how they could legally vote for neither of the majors and still cast a "valid" vote. Essentially it used a loophole where preferences could be exhausted.

for example

3 Liberal
3 Labour
3 National
3 Greens
1 Moster Raving Loonies
2 Independant

What this vote would have done is put the prefences where you want them. Once the third preference was deemed to be necessary it could not be given to either of the majors as the preference was exhausted.

So desperate to stop people actually making a valid and legal vote that the majors couldn't get their hands on the practice was soon made illegal.

However the person brave enough to start a campaign highlighting this was jailed for contempt after being told to desist by the courts. Why? Because it was then illegal to inform people how to vote legally but against the major parties!

Remember - if you vote you can't complain about the entire system only the people within it. If you don't vote (either by boycott or not marking the forms) you have every right to complain because you are no longer complicit in the Westsinister false democracy parliamentary system.

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#232236
Matt, I agree that the system is wrong, and is a false democracy, and your method of voting would certainly say that, but don't you think we are better off doing what we can to regularly change the fool in power? A lot of damage can be done in 4 years, but the end of the world as we know it can be achieved in 8 years, and voting is perhaps the only thing we can do to stop almost absolute power corrupting absolutely ...
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#232811
SMART DOCTORS
Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on.

The first surgeon says, "I like to see accountants on my operating table,
because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is colour coded."

The third surgeon says, "No, I really think librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order."

The fourth surgeon chimes in: "You know, I like construction workers...those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."

But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: "You're all
wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart,
no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and the ass are interchangeable.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#232925
Beautifully put! RESPECT!

aggri1 Insano Dub Head

824 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#233551
Oh that's a good one. Very nice.

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#234003
Letter to a Liberal MP from a disaffected Liberal farmer
By Margo Kingston
September 8, 2004 01:37 PM
How real is this supposed Liberal voter backlash against John Howard? Farmer Sue Bradford wrote to me today:
I have just read your book HYPERLINK "http://www.nothappyjohn.com/"Not Happy John with my chin on the floor - it is rivetting but very depressing stuff. Here is a letter I am sending to our local Federal member Alby Schultz (the Liberal MP for the well heeled seat of Hume west of Sydney who is most famous for defying Howard to publicly oppose the sale of Telstra). I have never been in tune with his politics but he has been a very supportive and interested Member of Parliament. However I am angry enough to be finally sending this letter to him, and I thought I'd send it to you as evidence of the real dismay out here.

I am a 57 year old farmer married to a 5th generation farmer with one daughter and 2 step children. We are in blue ribbon Coalition territory but the upwelling of dismay and disgust with the current leadership is amazing. The only people I know who will certainly vote Liberal are those who are unquestioning and disinterested in any political debate. Even my husband is highly critical of the worst of Mr Howard's excesses and he is going to read your book too."

***
'Nubba'
Cooringle Rd
Harden NSW 2587
bradford@dragnet.com.au
3.9.2004
Dear Alby
This letter has been simmering on my computer for over 2 years and I have been hoping I’d never need to send it, but now that the election has been called I have no choice.

I have admired the job that you have done as our State and Federal member and have appreciated the support you have always given our local affairs. I wish you well in the forth coming election but I won’t be one of those voting for you and I wanted to do you the courtesy of explaining why. The problem is that I cannot cast a vote which indicates in any way that I support Mr Howard. I would dearly love to be able to vote Liberal but will only do so when the party has gained some of it’s humanity and the small ‘l’ liberalism that it started with.

The reasons (in no particular order) for which I dislike Mr Howard with an intensity I’d never have believed possible are:-

• His destruction of the Republic debate with the support of a dishonest campaign and his refusal to allow the one obvious question to be put – that being ‘Would the people of Australia prefer to have an Australian Head of State’? Having wrecked that debate Mr Howard has cornered the real role of our supposed Head of State and has attended functions and events to which he has no right.

• The mean-spirited response to the ‘Stolen Generation’ and Mr Howard’s refusal to say ‘Sorry’. We will never move on with the Aboriginal people of Australia until the severe wrongs of the not-too-distant past are properly acknowledged and atoned for. To authorise the spending of millions on barristers to fight a few sad and damaged people over some compensation for the evils done to them is something with which you should be ashamed to be involved.

• It has been obvious to me since the last election that Mr Howard lied over the Children Overboard affair, and now, with the evidence mounting, the case seems clear. We are not bored with this issue and I will not tolerate a leader who uses the misfortunes of others for his own political gain. Arguments that the issue wasn’t clear are no excuse – the information was grabbed with glee and used and abused at every opportunity. Mr Scrafton has given his account clearly and has nothing to gain by doing so. Mr Howard has run for the cover of an election. One of them is lying and I know who I believe.

• The treatment of asylum seekers has made me weep real tears. How can we indulge in the disgusting and wickedly expensive Pacific solution? The numbers are so tiny and the people who make it to Australia are probably the very ones with guts and determination that we need. Children damaged beyond repair and adults in terminal despair is not something we can be proud of.

• Following George Bush into war with Iraq was a mistake for which we will pay and pay. If we are more at risk of terrorist attacks than we used to be, I sheet that firmly home to our blind involvement in the illegal Iraq war, and in our dubious alliance with George Bush. We were lied to regarding the reasons for this war and now that the original reasons have been shown to be palpably false, we were expected to accept that the reasons didn’t really matter anyway.

• I resent our armed forces being used for the PM’s photo opportunities – even in this he usurps the Governor General’s role at every turn.

• The shutting down of the Parliament of Australia during the visit of George Bush was a scandal. And this must never happen again – and you back benchers must never allow it again. Anyone who is prepared to send young people off to fight their wars and do their dirty work should take their chances in the street like the rest of us. The Head of State Mr Howard purports to support, Her Majesty the Queen, would never in a million years have condoned such a nonsense. The man-handling of Senators Brown and Nettle was also a shameful episode, when they were after all doing what most of us would dearly like to have done – ask questions of a man who is leading us by the nose. That our House was closed down for what was officially not even a State visit, and our police, security services and press were all forced to be subservient to a foreign power is totally unforgivable – and for what?

• Mr Howard’s refusal to accept that East Timor would be a blood bath after Independence voting until it was hideously apparent that he had hidden his head in the sand for to long. To then finally turn around and send in the troops when there was no other choice and claim the credit for doing a good job was nauseating.

• It is duplicitous in the extreme to refuse to enact legislation ensuring that workers are paid their due entitlements when a company goes bust, yet the one company for which Mr Howard pledged support was that owned by his brother. And while we are talking about family, his son Tim’s involvement in sending spam emails to electors sounds doubly dodgy to me.

• The Government’s treatment of Tertiary Education – the starving of courses and colleges of funds so that any of us trying to send children on to maximise their talents face appalling bills – and Mr Howard and his mates got their education virtually free. The impending 2 tiers of HECS and full fee paying students will be divisive in the extreme.

• The denigration of the ABC and the attempts to staff the board with Liberal Party cronies makes my blood boil. We need a free and fearless public broadcaster and if the government doesn’t like what it hears - well so be it. I do not find the ABC to be biased – I value broadcasters of the calibre of Kerry O’ Brian, Terry Lane and Chris Masters, and programmes such as Four Corners and Background Briefing and we would be poorer and more vulnerable with out them. An Australia wholly dependant on the commercial networks doesn’t bear thinking about.

• The attempts to pander to Kerry Packer and Rupert Murdoch regarding cross media ownership are sincerely scary, for without a free media we will be completely blind to anything those grotesquely powerful people do not wish us to observe. We must ensure a free and fearless press or we are sunk.

• I sincerely object to Mr Howard’s appropriation of a house to which he has no right – ‘for family reasons’. Even if that were a valid excuse (which to me it is not) I understand his children are all grown up and there is no reason why he can’t make his home where he ought to – in The Lodge in Canberra. Kirribilli house is far too expensive an option and constantly flying him back and forward between Sydney and Canberra is an impost I resent. I trust he will replenish the raided wine cellar before he leaves too.

• I am disgusted by the politicisation of the Public Service to the extent that it is obvious that no senior officer dares give advice that they know will be not be welcome. To make people’s careers so vulnerable to the whims of politicians is cruel and ultimately dangerous.

• I abhor the Government’s refusal to fight for the rights of Terry Hicks and Mamdoubh Habib. To condone their incarceration in Cuba and to allow a farce of a military tribunal to take place should make us all shiver in our shoes. They did nothing illegal in Australian law and for that reason alone the Foreign Minister should have been beating down doors ever since.

• Mr Howard’s stubborn support of his political mates when they have been caught doing seriously dishonest or inappropriate things is also a disgrace. The list is long.
Ø Peter Reith (rorting his Telecard),
Ø Michael Wooldridge (misusing his Parliamentary office after he resigned),
Ø Ross Cameron (morals crusader who cheats on his wife),
Ø Dr Hollingworth (A Governor General who lied – and I read all 400 plus pages of the report)
Ø Alan Jones – Cash for comment,
Ø Bill Heffernan (the Justice Kirby affair should have had that man sent packing)
Ø Wilson Tuckey – (abusing his parliamentary position and letterhead in favour of his son – and lying)
Ø Trish Draper – (abusing Travel allowances)
Ø David Flint (unhealthy relationship with Alan Jones whilst Chairing the ABA)
Ø Tony Abbott – (lying to the AEC during his efforts to send Pauline Hanson to jail)
Instant dismissal is the only worthy response to these people and yet time and time again they are sent off with pats on the back and an insincere smile.

• I am distressed by the huge sums of money being wasted on blatant political advertising, most of it entirely unnecessary and all of it would make a real difference to so many organisations I know.

• I am cynical in the extreme about any environmental movements being made during the election run-up. Mr Howard’s credibility in that area is zero. We should have signed the Kyoto agreement months ago.

• Mr Howard’s attempts to curtail the powers of the Senate – what a disaster that would be, although one can see why this control freak wants to limit the strength of the only effective curb on his ability to rule absolutely.

• And last on this list although I have many more in my head – anyone who can coin the terms ‘core and non-core promises’ with a straight face and expect us all to accept it is an idiot.

Ironically, if Mr Howard were to resign in favour of Mr Costello, I would probably change my mind. I think Mr Costello has more chance of bringing the party back to the sort of small ‘l’ liberalism I can vote for yet Mr Howard’s treatment of Mr Costello has been contemptuous. I do not trust Mr Howard and never will. He appears to me to be a small minded, mean spirited, little person who does us no credit. He is wrecking Parliamentary Democracy and I trust that history will ensure that he is never forgiven for that.

I don’t yet know where I shall cast my vote and will if necessary spoil my ballot. I am sorry that I don’t live in an electorate where I can probably make a difference. Although I will certainly cast my Senate vote where it will do the most good. As you can see I am very very angry right now and what you need to be aware of is the huge level of dismay that is out here. I know so many intelligent people from country and city who are appalled by the Howard Government – people who are normally cast iron coalition voters. This election will, I hope, be very very interesting.

I wish you well, Alby. I’m sure you will be re-elected but I’m afraid it won’t be with my assistance.
With best wishes to yourself and Gloria
Yours sincerely
Sue Bradford

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#234015
Where did you get that?
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

lobus Wolfsburg Wizard

618 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#234152
that's gotta be the longest post I've ever seen....Has anybody actually read it all?
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amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#234249
Dubnut wrote:that's gotta be the longest post I've ever seen....Has anybody actually read it all?
YUP!
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#234250
Me too. I actually looks like a form letter to me. The kind that parties circulate and get stooges to send in.

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#234258
Yeah, I'm no stooge, I just got it via email today from a friend who is obviously on a stooges list. That's a lot of work and journalistic professionalism for a country bumpkin eh? Still there are a few good points in the sucker!

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#234261
Forgot to say - I like "Iggy and the Stooges". Wonder who Iggy would vote for? Probably the Dalai Lama