seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
one more to the other side I say !
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need help with ej20t conversion
71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
mmmm. ej18 maybe?. i dunno. im so confused. i have ridden in neither a high power vw motor'd car or a subi powered vw. that would help.
humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
You knew it would happen Neil..... It was just a matter of time! I'm sure my SVX will scare me a little....Imagine an easy 240hp in a bus!!!!
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
Yes I can tell these things
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71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
anyone got either of these i can get a ride in?. wether it be a highpowered vw engine beetle or subi powered beetle?
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
go to the swapmet see them there 26/9 perth
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71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
hmmmm. i have had the mind working (for once) and have decided that a rotary conversion could be the easiest and cheapest option....seems too cost too much to draw power from a vw engine. and not so reliable.
so.. i have found for sale a 13b N/A motor (carby), vw transmission, adaptor kit, radiator, and stell tubing. was in a bug but they apparently didnt get the permits and now have to strip the car down and do it again if they want to run it?. anyway. this is all going for $1500. wat u guys think? and wat else has to be done in order to install it into my bug. ??
thanks
Anthony :alien
so.. i have found for sale a 13b N/A motor (carby), vw transmission, adaptor kit, radiator, and stell tubing. was in a bug but they apparently didnt get the permits and now have to strip the car down and do it again if they want to run it?. anyway. this is all going for $1500. wat u guys think? and wat else has to be done in order to install it into my bug. ??
thanks
Anthony :alien
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
you will need to get this enginered cost around $600.00 as for how good it is I would not wast my time its old and needs to comply with the new ADR regulations , you need to ring the tech section at welspool and ask .
I am sure these stick out the engine lid ??
if you were going to keep this for a long time do a fuel injected conversion .
get down to the swapy and have a look at some of the cars , all the guys are helpfull you only need to ask them .🙂
I am sure these stick out the engine lid ??
if you were going to keep this for a long time do a fuel injected conversion .
get down to the swapy and have a look at some of the cars , all the guys are helpfull you only need to ask them .🙂
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71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
where and when is the swapmeet?
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
have a look at the events section
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seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
I dont think choper will have the notch there but there would be some other Vw to see .
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71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
im pretty sure it stays under the decklid. (not 100%). 600 dollars for engineered? wat exactly do they do? a rotary may be old. but it wont be as old as my vw motor 🙂
boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Better check the history of the rota mota...they are often rebuilt more than VW performance ones.
Also no torque!!!!!
71 Super...have you been in a bug with a big stroked engine yet? If not do so, then get a ride in a subaru powered bug and there will be one thing in common. Torque..instant throttle response in all gears...this is what I love.
If it is high revving hp and no torque, then get your rotary.
Personally i think you should try before you buy so you know what you want.....patience young jedi, seagull will complete your training!
Matt
Also no torque!!!!!
71 Super...have you been in a bug with a big stroked engine yet? If not do so, then get a ride in a subaru powered bug and there will be one thing in common. Torque..instant throttle response in all gears...this is what I love.
If it is high revving hp and no torque, then get your rotary.
Personally i think you should try before you buy so you know what you want.....patience young jedi, seagull will complete your training!
Matt
boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Oh here is a list of costs to date on my ej20t project.
Motor.....$850...no computer.
Microtech $600 Thanks seagull.
Sti intercooler....$200
Adaptor, flywheel....$600
Clutch Kit..... $275
Alfa 33 Radiator and 2x 10 inch thermo's....$179
Radiator piping, stainless flexible tube front to back(expensive but very easy)...$480
Have to make up exhaust and intercooler pipes then weld in a back cross mount and fab up a few mounting points for the rear apron and gaurds where I went silly with the grinder and we are in business....
Matt
Motor.....$850...no computer.
Microtech $600 Thanks seagull.
Sti intercooler....$200
Adaptor, flywheel....$600
Clutch Kit..... $275
Alfa 33 Radiator and 2x 10 inch thermo's....$179
Radiator piping, stainless flexible tube front to back(expensive but very easy)...$480
Have to make up exhaust and intercooler pipes then weld in a back cross mount and fab up a few mounting points for the rear apron and gaurds where I went silly with the grinder and we are in business....
Matt
humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism
3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Sounds like it's coming together boof.....How's Jaks going? She running yet?
Marks Notch cost he around $3800 all in. Though he's clever bastard...Did the whole thing himself. Engineers and inspectors loved it too! That engine cam Brooky Spares too, delivered to our place in WA. Not too bad huh...Forget the Rotor...I have been for a ride in Rotor powered VW.....Terrible thing on the road, got shocking mileage and not really all that fast for the work. There is one here in Perth with a 12A turbo engine in a bug and I think the best quarter mile time he has gotten is a high 13. He fries the clutch a lot too....Too many revs for the little VW clutch to handle. My brothers Notch has a best of a high 12 and is still on the same clutch!!!!
Marks Notch cost he around $3800 all in. Though he's clever bastard...Did the whole thing himself. Engineers and inspectors loved it too! That engine cam Brooky Spares too, delivered to our place in WA. Not too bad huh...Forget the Rotor...I have been for a ride in Rotor powered VW.....Terrible thing on the road, got shocking mileage and not really all that fast for the work. There is one here in Perth with a 12A turbo engine in a bug and I think the best quarter mile time he has gotten is a high 13. He fries the clutch a lot too....Too many revs for the little VW clutch to handle. My brothers Notch has a best of a high 12 and is still on the same clutch!!!!
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,979 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
see I told you will all come to the other side :vader
now for around 4k you get a very good package , also a motor that will last over time and you guys were going to build a big VW donk for how many $ ??????
Subaru is the go for me 😎
now for around 4k you get a very good package , also a motor that will last over time and you guys were going to build a big VW donk for how many $ ??????
Subaru is the go for me 😎
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Oasis Going alone...
1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·
Better ask yourself why they couldn't/didn't get the permits. 13b may be to big legally. 12a may be allowed. I believe they double the capacity of a rotary to compare it to a "normal" engine. Why do you want a rotary anyway... They don't drip enough oil.:thumb71superbug wrote:hmmmm. i have had the mind working (for once) and have decided that a rotary conversion could be the easiest and cheapest option....seems too cost too much to draw power from a vw engine. and not so reliable.
so.. i have found for sale a 13b N/A motor (carby), vw transmission, adaptor kit, radiator, and stell tubing. was in a bug but they apparently didnt get the permits and now have to strip the car down and do it again if they want to run it?. anyway. this is all going for $1500. wat u guys think? and wat else has to be done in order to install it into my bug. ??
thanks
Anthony :alien
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seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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hee hee
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Yes Boys,
I am a little exited about it all, Jak and Paul are coming along nicely also.
I have done all of it myself so far, although today the microtech system is being wired up and then the motor will be put in permanently. Another friend is going over the wiring of the whole car and then an exhaust and a few loose ends and we are racing....oh, after I weld the fire wall back in.
Anyone know what is the most suitable blow off valve to run???
Keep you posted...
Matt (Boof)
I am a little exited about it all, Jak and Paul are coming along nicely also.
I have done all of it myself so far, although today the microtech system is being wired up and then the motor will be put in permanently. Another friend is going over the wiring of the whole car and then an exhaust and a few loose ends and we are racing....oh, after I weld the fire wall back in.
Anyone know what is the most suitable blow off valve to run???
Keep you posted...
Matt (Boof)
speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing
1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Get a BOV from a Saab, cheap and do the required job. Last one I bought was $50 new from Repco. Hose mounted.
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Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH
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71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
hmm. there is a 13b turbo beetle i think in perth too. im not sure.
but i know for sure that there is a 13b beetle (wether its turbo or not is a different matter). i rang up rotomotion in perth and they had it in there. they make up the adaptor plates .etc for rotary to vwe aswell.
i dont mind high revs and lack of torque. 🙂
but yeah. wat other costs are involved in putting the rotary in.
any info would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
anthony
but i know for sure that there is a 13b beetle (wether its turbo or not is a different matter). i rang up rotomotion in perth and they had it in there. they make up the adaptor plates .etc for rotary to vwe aswell.
i dont mind high revs and lack of torque. 🙂
but yeah. wat other costs are involved in putting the rotary in.
any info would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
anthony
Brad Wolfsburg Elder
3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
"Radiator piping, stainless flexible tube front to back(expensive but very easy)...$480"
Be very careful with using stainless for your rad hoses... Wes and are have decided that the Galvanic reaction it caused added significantly to the death of his radiator core and the increase in corrosion of alloy components
Be very careful with using stainless for your rad hoses... Wes and are have decided that the Galvanic reaction it caused added significantly to the death of his radiator core and the increase in corrosion of alloy components
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
perhaps I should reword that in english.
Stainless steel itself is a noble metal, as it it doesn't like to corrode. That simply makes it a fantastic cathode. It therefore tries to use other metals as an anode. This is galvanic corrosion.
There is a thing called a galvanic series. surf the net and you will find it.
The further two metals are apart in the series, the worse they will react with each other in the presence of an electrolite. Stainless steel and aluminium are further apart than steel and aluminium.
So stainless steel radiator pipes will try to corrode your aluminium engine. This will happen if your aluminium engine and stainless pipes have a common earth, and your not using the most expensive radiator fluid you can buy.
I have rubber mounted my stainless radiator pipes from touching anything but the rubber radiator hoses (they don't touch the chassis or body). This should keep the galvanic circuit open and stop the corrosion.
When my last radiator died, it was corroded from salt water on the outside so that was the obvious cause of death. But I did wonder if the stainless pipes were earthing somewhere and adding to the problem, as stainless will also try to corrode normal steel (my radiator) via galvanic corrosion.
Stainless steel itself is a noble metal, as it it doesn't like to corrode. That simply makes it a fantastic cathode. It therefore tries to use other metals as an anode. This is galvanic corrosion.
There is a thing called a galvanic series. surf the net and you will find it.
The further two metals are apart in the series, the worse they will react with each other in the presence of an electrolite. Stainless steel and aluminium are further apart than steel and aluminium.
So stainless steel radiator pipes will try to corrode your aluminium engine. This will happen if your aluminium engine and stainless pipes have a common earth, and your not using the most expensive radiator fluid you can buy.
I have rubber mounted my stainless radiator pipes from touching anything but the rubber radiator hoses (they don't touch the chassis or body). This should keep the galvanic circuit open and stop the corrosion.
When my last radiator died, it was corroded from salt water on the outside so that was the obvious cause of death. But I did wonder if the stainless pipes were earthing somewhere and adding to the problem, as stainless will also try to corrode normal steel (my radiator) via galvanic corrosion.
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Thanks for the info....did not know.
Will do the same with the rubber mounting, have to as I have paid for the tubing..
71 super...the same costs as mine will be involved, although I do not know how much body modification will be required. Do not forget, exhaust, air filter, fuel pump, radiator flywheel and clutch and accessories...depending on carb or injection...maybe more.
Also extra bracing on box, and suspension and brake changes.......Its not as simple as dropping in the donk...has to stop and turn. Have you been in alot of rotaries?
Matt
[Edited on 21-9-2004 by boof2332]
Will do the same with the rubber mounting, have to as I have paid for the tubing..
71 super...the same costs as mine will be involved, although I do not know how much body modification will be required. Do not forget, exhaust, air filter, fuel pump, radiator flywheel and clutch and accessories...depending on carb or injection...maybe more.
Also extra bracing on box, and suspension and brake changes.......Its not as simple as dropping in the donk...has to stop and turn. Have you been in alot of rotaries?
Matt
[Edited on 21-9-2004 by boof2332]
71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
brakes and suspension i know about. i meant how much work in getting the motor into the car and running. i dont believe u have to do any cutting or anything do you?. but probably have to fabricate a cross member to support the engine?
the package comes with a radiator and the "adaptor plate" so to say..so taht is no worry. even if i did need the adaptor made up again its only 300 bucks from a rotary place over here. the system was in and running in a beetle. but was taken out and they are replacing it with a vw motor due to compliance issues. so i imagine the exhaust everything woule be there perhaps. do u need different clutch .etc? and another thing i like about the rotary is the ability to draw power of it very easily. and high rpm .etc is something i also like.
the package comes with a radiator and the "adaptor plate" so to say..so taht is no worry. even if i did need the adaptor made up again its only 300 bucks from a rotary place over here. the system was in and running in a beetle. but was taken out and they are replacing it with a vw motor due to compliance issues. so i imagine the exhaust everything woule be there perhaps. do u need different clutch .etc? and another thing i like about the rotary is the ability to draw power of it very easily. and high rpm .etc is something i also like.
seagull Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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I give up :P
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
71 SUPER>>>>>>GO AND BUY THE ROTARY.
It sounds like most of the stuff is there and you seem pretty keen on the idea....so go and do it.
It will be a great experience and problem solving exercise for you and we will help with any problems you have. As for exact fitting I have an old VW mag form the 90's which has both a rotary in penroses suicide car and an 1800 subi turbo from the RX in a 68 that looks like mine. I will see how easily they fit.
Start thinking about the radiator placement.
If it is not good then sell the motor and parts and you may only loose a couple of bucks.
I really believe the experience will be a good start to your car projects..
Matt
It sounds like most of the stuff is there and you seem pretty keen on the idea....so go and do it.
It will be a great experience and problem solving exercise for you and we will help with any problems you have. As for exact fitting I have an old VW mag form the 90's which has both a rotary in penroses suicide car and an 1800 subi turbo from the RX in a 68 that looks like mine. I will see how easily they fit.
Start thinking about the radiator placement.
If it is not good then sell the motor and parts and you may only loose a couple of bucks.
I really believe the experience will be a good start to your car projects..
Matt
exwrx Learner Dubber
16 posts · joined May 2004 ·
This has been a very valuable thread, as I have been considering going down the same road for some time (former L bug and wrx owner so it makes some sense !). If I can quantify the amount of work involved a little more precisely, it will give me the confidence to start collecting parts.
There appear to be some projects in progress in NSW and WA, but is anyone aware of Victorian based transplants?
A friend told me that Volksrepairs (also trading as subirepairs !) in vic have done some conversions, so I will soon have a chat to them to verify this, and hopefully also the ins and outs from their perspective.
I, and I am sure others, are watching the progress by trailblazers such as seagull, steve carter, boof2332, speedster356, baja wes etc with great interest !
Any information, progress shots, costings etc greatly appreciated.
Cheers
exwrx
:beer
There appear to be some projects in progress in NSW and WA, but is anyone aware of Victorian based transplants?
A friend told me that Volksrepairs (also trading as subirepairs !) in vic have done some conversions, so I will soon have a chat to them to verify this, and hopefully also the ins and outs from their perspective.
I, and I am sure others, are watching the progress by trailblazers such as seagull, steve carter, boof2332, speedster356, baja wes etc with great interest !
Any information, progress shots, costings etc greatly appreciated.
Cheers
exwrx
:beer
boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Hey exwrx,
It has been suprisingly straight foward, and the guys on the forum really help with the small things you might not think about.
It doesnt take that long depending on how much you trick your wife/ employment as to time allocation.
Matt
It has been suprisingly straight foward, and the guys on the forum really help with the small things you might not think about.
It doesnt take that long depending on how much you trick your wife/ employment as to time allocation.
Matt
71superbug The Itch Itcher
1,184 posts · joined May 2004 ·
seagull wrote:I give up :P
thats fair enough, but being my age and on my income. i want to be 100% certain about what i am about to embark on. so i am trying to find out as much information as possible about the fitting it into there. as in any cutting required .etc?
thanks
anthony