Bigger beetle brake master cylinder

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 11:29 am

#236066

Does anybody know if there is a bigger 'stock' brake master cylinder for a 1500 Beetle, like, say, one from a later T3 or Super? Or some other car (Golf, Commodore, etc)?

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 2:11 pm

#236128

Anyone?!

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Secoh Fahrvergnugen

926 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 3:26 pm

#236142

i read somewhere porsche 944 was larger and interchangable but thats all I remember.

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56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 4:56 pm

#236174

The one Pete Richards "gave" me is a type 2 dual circuit master cyl.

I don't know for sure, but is is bigger than stock.

A bit of modifying to the plunger and vioila

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 6:10 pm

#236208

okay - I will look into the specs of both. Thanks, kids!

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56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 7:10 pm

#236233

try this one

And after all that,

it's probably just a beetle one??

[Edited on 22-9-2004 by 56astro]

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 7:16 pm

#236238

err.. that looks like a stocky 1500...????

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Dasdubber DAS Resto Haus

5,746 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 7:32 pm

#236245

Sorry I don't have a pic of the master cylinder alone, or bolted in place....but this is the best I have on my puter - it is a golf dual circuit master cylinder installed by Custom Offroad. Part of the tunnel had to be clearanced (and hole cut in it to route the rear brake line through). Also a plate welded where it bolts through the frame.

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Dasdubber DAS Resto Haus

5,746 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 7:38 pm

#236247

Oh, found a pic of my mate's pan (58 k/l pin front IRS rear) that has had the same treatment - you can see the mods to the pan in this pic. This pan is for sale by the way.

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johny rotten Officially Full-On Dubber

366 posts · joined Apr 2004 · 22 Sep 2004, 7:57 pm

#236259

Hah hah hah😀😀😀::blah:blah:blah custum offroad hey ......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 8:06 pm

#236262

thats a stock 1500 Beetle one Steve ???

Glenn why do you want something bigger its not always better
what mischief are you up to ??

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

LOWBUG Insano Dub Head

738 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 8:46 pm

#236289

See Dave Knows

56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 9:09 pm

#236302

DOH !!!!!

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 9:45 pm

#236316

Hi

Why do you need a bigger one?

Steve

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 10:13 pm

#236328

I don't know if I do.......... But I just kinda, sorta... might. Maybe

[Edited on 22-9-2004 by VWCOOL]

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 10:23 pm

#236334

Hi

I ran 4 spots front & rear with a stock 19 mm one. I just wondered what you were upto.

Steve

karmen Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,648 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 10:49 pm

#236346

question for you guys re m/cyl.
fitting one to a KG but has 3 (one too many outlets)
can I block it off.

yes there is a later junction box to go to the pair of wheels

just checking if I'm wasting more precious time bleeding the bleeding thing (had the olde one apart 4 times)

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58 & 62 beetle parting. 74 panel parting
63 Baja 80 GLD parting
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Sep 2004, 10:57 pm

#236353

Hi

Dont you need 2 for the front brakes? If not just stick another brake light switch in the hole.

Steve

karmen Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,648 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 22 Sep 2004, 11:16 pm

#236365

not enough wires !! ha ha

actually done that as the new cylinder comes with a new light switch

Karmen
56 oval resto 60 Cal KG
58 & 62 beetle parting. 74 panel parting
63 Baja 80 GLD parting
58 donor split 11 window 63 Splitty sgle cab /son's
96 Seat Cordoba GLX daily drvr.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 23 Sep 2004, 7:34 am

#236438

yes some cylinders come with 2 outlets for the switch

Steves car ran good with the stock cylinder

If it aint broke then dont change it.

I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91278&page=1#pid848630

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=63561&page=1#pid624099

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=4832&page=1#pid452603

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=60650&page=1#pid574409

Dasdubber DAS Resto Haus

5,746 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 23 Sep 2004, 9:16 am

#236469

I have extra outlets on the golf master cylinder. I got a threaded brake line nut (minus the brake line of course) with a ball bearing that fits inside - tightening the nut in the master cylinder clamps the ball bearing to the m/c outlet and effectively plugs it.

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MikeM Buggy Head

1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 · 23 Sep 2004, 9:32 am

#236475

Check this out for some ideas

They have some info on VW, Porsche, and Audi ones. They make no mention of the Golf one tho.

http://www.airsouls.com/how-tos/master_cylinder.htm

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 23 Sep 2004, 9:56 am

#236480

1302Steve wrote:Hi

I ran 4 spots front & rear with a stock 19 mm one. I just wondered what you were upto.

Steve

Okay. Yeah... Dave, Steve, that's kinda the mischief I'm up to! There's some engineers requirements that I might have to abide by regarding volume/displacement with worn pads blah blah blah and I'm doing some homework, just in case...

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 23 Sep 2004, 10:01 am

#236483

MikeM wrote:Check this out for some ideas

They have some info on VW, Porsche, and Audi ones. They make no mention of the Golf one tho.

http://www.airsouls.com/how-tos/master_cylinder.htm

Thanks for that, Mike! Top stuff!

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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk

2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 23 Sep 2004, 1:39 pm

#236559

OK Das you will need to explain the need for the mods to fit the Golf master cylinder.Why didn't a dual circuit Beetle one do it for you????

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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 23 Sep 2004, 9:58 pm

#236807

I assume that means a Type 2 MC (with a biggr bore) will slip-in with the same mounting holes?

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Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 31 Oct 2004, 7:19 pm

#255460

nbturbo wrote:OK Das you will need to explain the need for the mods to fit the Golf master cylinder.Why didn't a dual circuit Beetle one do it for you????

There was several reasons we started using the Gold M/C. The mains ones where:
- the cost in relation to the RHD Beetle one ( not so expensive anymore ).
- Wanted to run the brake line down the tunnel to keep it out the way and the golf outlets let us do this.
- As it was originally for Buggies the Golf M/C came with a dual circuit bottle on top of it which was great for buggies.
- Lastly the valving in the Golf M/C is slightly different to the dual circuit beetle one and we found it better for the disc conversions on the lighter buggies.

Brad
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5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 31 Oct 2004, 9:24 pm

#255582

Buggy Brad wrote:
nbturbo wrote:OK Das you will need to explain the need for the mods to fit the Golf master cylinder.Why didn't a dual circuit Beetle one do it for you????
There was several reasons we started using the Gold M/C. The mains ones where:
- the cost in relation to the RHD Beetle one ( not so expensive anymore ).
- Wanted to run the brake line down the tunnel to keep it out the way and the golf outlets let us do this.
- As it was originally for Buggies the Golf M/C came with a dual circuit bottle on top of it which was great for buggies.
- Lastly the valving in the Golf M/C is slightly different to the dual circuit beetle one and we found it better for the disc conversions on the lighter buggies.

Does the Golf MC have two different bore sizes, like a Porker 944 one?

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