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wacked1 Custom Title Time!

1,508 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#266513
yes go for the towel rails, i like the size of the rad not too obvious like mine it sticks out like dogs......

on another note what other rad positions have been used in the proto, i think i read somewhere you guys had it mounted on the underside of the kombi? how did it work?
cheers
wacked1
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN DAKED
don't worry it's a VW thing

twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#266525
withthe crew cab, why couldnt you mount it under the tray infront of the rear wheels. that spave is not really that accesable, espesh on a dcab. then jsut have some bay flutes on each side.
Simply Cruzin'...

MikeM Buggy Head

1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·

#266528
twoguns wrote:withthe crew cab, why couldnt you mount it under the tray infront of the rear wheels. that spave is not really that accesable, espesh on a dcab. then jsut have some bay flutes on each side.
Just my opinion, Brad will need to answer but:

I think you'll find that COR were trying to come up with a prototype solution that would work on ALL kombis. If there was more than one option it would increase cost etc. The fact that the prototype was a DC was just coincidence.

On a ute a rad under the tray would work, but you'd need to get it airflow. there is heaps of airflow out the front 🙂


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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#266529
twoguns wrote:withthe crew cab, why couldnt you mount it under the tray infront of the rear wheels. that spave is not really that accesable, espesh on a dcab. then jsut have some bay flutes on each side.
I don't think you would get enough airflow through and the thermo fans would be on non stop. Might possibly mount my AC condenser in that spot to get it out from under the vehicle but time will tell.😎
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#266530
Looks great.

Very neat install, job well done.

Good to see someone has finally costed out the job, instead of saying you can do for $1000 !!!!







[Edited on 18-11-2004 by Craig Torrens]


bigbaja Wolfsburg Wizard

438 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#266542
Brad said he has no interest in doing an EJ 20 or 25 until he knows every pin out on the EJ22's ECU. Also he is not happy that they EJ25 has the reliability he is after in a conversion. They have head issues and give little improvemnet in performance over the 22.

What we are trying to do it develope a bolt on solution so we can cost it to the dollar and give people the bill upfront, no more silly figures and huge bills. If they say yes then they know it is going to be $7700 drive away.

We are happy to hide the radiator up the back and underneath but you will not see change from $10 000 as development time cost $$$$$$$.

mmm man it drive so nice .... my Baja is going to be sooooo coooooool
Terry - Custom Off Road Components
28 Hayward Street, Stafford QLD 4053
Ph: (07) 3356 4356 - Fax: (07) 3356 6765

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#266571
part of the push for the EJ22 was that it is a single overhead cam motor and therefore fits places alot easier than the dual overhead cam EJ20 and EJ25's.

BTW Craig, I can say it can be done for $1000 because that's what I did mine for and I have fully listed the costing :P

But of course doing it myself saved lots of $$$, and I don't have a fancy custom aluminium radiator or tidy loom like the COR conversions, and I also sold my VW motor for $2300 to further reduce the conversion cost to me 🙂

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by Baja Wes]
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
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type2nut Officially Full-On Dubber

223 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#266578
:duh :duh
" No improvement in performance with an EJ25 over an EJ22?"
That it most definately not what is being said on other conversion forums. I would like to see more discussion on this please!
Have a look at the HP and torque graphs at
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/subaruvanagon/files/%20Subaru%20HP%20and%20Torque%20Graphs/

and tell me what you think.

I agree that the EJ25 is a more maxed out engine and has a history of more coolant problems as a result this.
Of course the EJ25 also comes in a SOHC version.

Andy.

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by type2nut]

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by type2nut]

twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#266592
cool. thanks for that. am working towards this myself oneday. when ready i might need to talk to you guys, and the price will probably be sweet by then too.
Simply Cruzin'...

Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#266627
Ok about the ej25. I have been told buy many reputable buiders here that you are far better to get an ej20 stroked to 2.5L as they end up stronger and a load more torque then the factory ej25. The strokers have larger bores and a larger stroke then the ej20 You can buy a brand new stroker short block from teh states to your door for around $3500 then just use your heads and cams from an ej20.
BUT if you are chassing Ground clearance then stay away from the quad(twin perside) cam as you can not get your exhausts tight enough out of the heads to help you out with out loosing power. Or do as I will with my buggy and run a big ass bash plate and live with having to drag your ass over teh rocks.

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by Andy42]
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#266638
type2nut wrote::duh :duh
" No improvement in performance with an EJ25 over an EJ22?"
That it most definately not what is being said on other conversion forums. I would like to see more discussion on this please!
Have a look at the HP and torque graphs at
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/subaruvanagon/files/%20Subaru%20HP%20and%20Torque%20Graphs/

and tell me what you think.

I agree that the EJ25 is a more maxed out engine and has a history of more coolant problems as a result this.
Of course the EJ25 also comes in a SOHC version.

Andy.

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by type2nut]

[Edited on 18-11-2004 by type2nut]
The EJ22 has enough power. I would not bother with the EJ25 as the power increase is not justified for the loss of reliability. That's just my opinion though. This motor was installed and as soon as it was finished it was driven 1400km with no problems. I have now done over 2500km with no hassels. I'm sure Brad would have liked to have it for longer but I also enjoy testing things out:thumb:thumb
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Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#266653
There is more to performance that HP .... The 25's are causing head issues in the Subaru I would hate to think what may happen in the VW conversion.

yes the 25 has more HP then again so does the SVX which will be my next engine once I have the 22 sorted out. From all reports they are the next option up the scale.

On a down sid the Climate Control in the Subaru's maybe unusable in the kombi due to the extent of intergration in teh subaru, ....... damn at least cruise control is sweet :duh
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

type2nut Officially Full-On Dubber

223 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#266740
No doubt that the EJ22 is a great engine that has been proven good and reliable over a long time. More than a decade now.

Much of my opinion has been derived from 3 or 4 people here in Aus that have EJ25's in there T3 vans, and from the Subaruvanagon group people that have been putting Subaru engines in their vans for a long time. They started with 22's but many of them are now considering upgrades to 25's and 33's. Why would they be doing this?

Personally I would love to have an EG33 but I have concerns over the ability of a Syncro tranny to handle that much torque.

As I referred to in the link above, the torque curves of the SOHC 25's seem to be substantially better than the 22, particularly for off road use. Maybe this is where we are differing in opinion???
I am quite happy to agree to disagree but this is an interesting topic and worthy of further discussion.

Where can we get stroked EJ20's from and in to the country for $3500? And why aren't the Yankee conversion folk using them I wonder.

Andy.

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#266768
Don't worry about the towel rails... photoshop it painted the same colour as the car. it would probably all but disappear.

Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#266837
Sunspares in brissy can get you the strokers as can MRT in Sydney ( I think) and PerFOURmance at slacks Creek. The guy from sunspares was the one who told me the price and siad that was a firm price.
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bigbaja Wolfsburg Wizard

438 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#267112
DO we have EJ 25 SHC engines in Aus ? I thought they were Double ??
Terry - Custom Off Road Components
28 Hayward Street, Stafford QLD 4053
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type2nut Officially Full-On Dubber

223 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#267253
Yes we do. That is, one cam per head. I don't know the exact dates, but from somewhere about 98 or 99 I think, most of the EJ25 engines were SOHC versions. All the new Foresters and I imagine some of the other cars come with this engine.

Brad, did you use all Subie parts for the cruise control or after market?

Andy.

[Edited on 19-11-2004 by type2nut]

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#267453
The advantage of the earlier (prob pre 95?) engines is that they are OBD1 and not OBDII. That means you can wire in a little switch that you can flick and then read the error codes (from the ECU) with the engine warning light. That's why I went for an early 90's front cut for my conversion.
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
www.taylorcycles.com.au - My DH MTB racing brothers shop.

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#267460
and they are cheaper.

I will be trying to use Subie parts for the cruise control. I have the half cut now and am just waiting on the kombi,
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#267465
mm goto test the engines out ... here she is in the car before we pulled it ...

Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#268047
good work guys!!!! great to see this happening i can already hear a suby engine in my kombi :P know where did i plant them money tree's????
how about this guys i donate my kombi to use guys to fit a subi engine conversion u do as much testing as u like and then u give it back to me with the engine still intact??? come on you know ya wanna!!! ill even do the test driving :P
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#268342
That engine must be sus Brad, 1000rpm to go!!
:duh

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#268423
Baja Wes wrote:BTW Craig, I can say it can be done for $1000 because that's what I did mine for and I have fully listed the costing :P


[Edited on 18-11-2004 by Baja Wes]
Just making a general statement, not aimed at you wes.:kiss


kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#268482
:cry
it aint just cool its aircool'd

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#268706
Very Tidy Indeed, EXCELLENT JOB!.....I wish there was that much room in the back of the bug!

Just curious......how big is your expansion tank, with all that extra water I have been told that when they warm up they will overflow a standard size tank.

Matt

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#268715
It has a standard expansion tank by the looks of it. It has dropped about 2 1/2-3 inches from the top when fully cooled. Heaps of water left in it.😀
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kombi kountry Seriously Crusin Dubber

172 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#269758
type2nut wrote:No doubt that the EJ22 is a great engine that has been proven good and reliable over a long time. More than a decade now.

Much of my opinion has been derived from 3 or 4 people here in Aus that have EJ25's in there T3 vans, and from the Subaruvanagon group people that have been putting Subaru engines in their vans for a long time. They started with 22's but many of them are now considering upgrades to 25's and 33's. Why would they be doing this?

Personally I would love to have an EG33 but I have concerns over the ability of a Syncro tranny to handle that much torque.

As I referred to in the link above, the torque curves of the SOHC 25's seem to be substantially better than the 22, particularly for off road use. Maybe this is where we are differing in opinion???
I am quite happy to agree to disagree but this is an interesting topic and worthy of further discussion.

Andy.
type2nut wrote:Yes we do. That is, one cam per head. I don't know the exact dates, but from somewhere about 98 or 99 I think, most of the EJ25 engines were SOHC versions. All the new Foresters and I imagine some of the other cars come with this engine.

Brad, did you use all Subie parts for the cruise control or after market?

Andy.

[Edited on 19-11-2004 by type2nut]
yeah, my preference would be the ej25 as well. it's the engine that i hope to use for my bay kombi conversion (due to budgetry constraints. i would love the 3.2 flat 6 from the 911 carrera (83-88), or the last of the air cooled's the 3.6 from the 933 911 but that won't be happening any time soon)

as andy said, it was the new liberty 98/99 (can't remember the exact date) that the ej25 sohc was introduced to aust. in. At the time the motoring press said it ran smoother, that u could notice the better low-end torque, and was just generally nicer than the dohc it replaced. The imprezza rs and forrester in later years and now use the sohc ej25, but in slightly detuned guise.

you can also get the sohc as a jap import as well (with slightly more power)

surely reliability issues wouldn't be an issue in the ej25 for every day use. the ej25 also makes a proportionate incease in power & torque over the ej22 which i'm sure you'd notice once in the back of your kombi. and they're about the same price as the ej22 as an import too. i'm not saying the ej22 wouldn't be a good match for the kombi, and definately not saying this conversion package isn't good either, it sounds great that there's more people out there making such a conversion available for people like me that wouldn't have a clue how to do it themselves [insert embarrassed icon here 🙂 ] it just seems that the ej25 seems to always be overlooked.

[Edited on 24-11-2004 by kombi kountry]

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#269806
The early EJ25's with DOHC had a lot of head issues. That is why they are over looked. If you price a SHOC EJ25 you will find they are rare and expensive. The EJ22 was selecetd for a number or reasons, price being one of them.

Once I have mastered the EJ22 Conversion then I will look into other engines. As it currently sits I have 7 EJ22's sitting on the floor in the workshop, all earmarked for VW powered cars. After those 7 I will be happy that all bugs are sorted and that know enough to look at other options. The EJ33 will be in my kombi not long after that.

The problem in this game is to many people pretend to have a good understanding of an engine and the conversion. The only way I can see myself and my guys getting this in one step at a time, the EJ22 being the firts step. Judging by the number of phone calls and the interest we are getting there is quite a few people out there who are looking for such a source. This is why we sell every component seperately so you can use them to install any EJ series engine you like.
Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

kombi kountry Seriously Crusin Dubber

172 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#269828
sorry, should of made it clear that i was refering to the sohc ej25 in my last post and when talking about reliability and being over-looked. it is the sohc that i would prefer. :blush

[Edited on 24-11-2004 by kombi kountry]