i say driver training but govt wont foot the bill for this cause its too expensive, they only want a cheap and easy solution, so they ignore the simple answer, i dont care if u agree with this or not i wanna hear peoples opinions so out with them
Driver training is good, but Why should the Government pay for it...???
Make it mandatory and make it part of the process of getting your D/L...
That might keep a few of them out of cars and alive for a little longer...
Don't get me started on, "The Trouble with Kids These Days" lecture, but the drinking age and the driving age should be at least 2 years apart although there is probably NO solution, as "The Trouble with Kids These Days" is They have NO respect for the Law, the Police and in some instances, themselves...
I heard the best example at a crash scene a few weeks ago where the Very Drunk P plate (rich) kid had crashed his car and done an Aweful amount of damage that left a trail of destruction throughout an entire suburb...
The kid said to the copper, "You can't touch me, I've got Rights"...!!!
The copper replied, (With a Big smile), "I'm so glad you said that, as you Do have rights, and with those rights, come RESPONSABILITIES, now get in the back of the police car and come and have a look at everything that you're Responible for, as we go back to the station and throw the book at you"....
I've never seen a smart mouth close that fast before...!!!
as a P plater myself, id have to say the most tempting things on the road is adrenaline. most blokes my age drive their car in order to get the biggest adrenaline rush ever. to restrict high performance and speeding. the govt should enforce serious power to weight ratio limits for P Platers and drivers with bad driving records.
the second idea is to bring in compulsory drivers education through public schools. my parents have illegal driving habits such as speeding, not indicating that i could have picked up. lucky for me i didnt, but this could happen to any young student. when parents teach, we learn through observation. drivers education via theory and practical work through schools would greatly benefit our young drivers of today.
dont blame games and television... thats just immature crap. our local paper tried to force the issue on need for speed games etc... they got ripped to shreds by the youth of macarthur.
A school course, somewhat like the seppos. I know you said ignore this but although it wont help every kid I'll be damned if I can spot the harm it'll do. Plus a restriction on the times & amount of passengers that P platers can carry. I think it's NZ that has something like this & although I dont know it to the letter the basics of it seemed well thought out.
But the most obvious of all is that PARENTS need to take an interest in their kids lives & do some teaching of their own. I'm not 30 yet but can still remember when I was younger (God I never thought I'd ever be saying something like that! 😀) people took responsibility for themselves & their own, now it seems raising kids is always someone elses job. :cussing
/end rant
WABaja: Nice story! 😉
in my opinion they should inforce it like they do in europe.
as being from europe myself, the governemt has introduced a law that it is compulsary for young driving learning on how to drive to do a minimum of 20 hours with a driving school before they can present themselves to a driving test, and that is only once the instructor judges that the candidate is ready for the driving test after the 20 hours of driving instructions and if needed more hours will be required untill confident to drive and pass the driving test.
once you do pass your driving test you are then able to drive under a "A" label wich means apprentice as it is what you are, equivalent of a learner here in australia .....but i think it is way too easy to get your L and then drive .... even with supervision but i've noticed some L platters driving unsuppervised.
maybe a plate attachement system should be implement by the transport department that an L plate has to be attached but an attach form should be processed as to avoid young drivers driving too powerful cars for them to handle....and that should also apply to P platers i think, as we see too many of them driving cheap import turboed cars being " too fast and too furious"....
my 2 cents
IN the Northern Territory, Kids in High school at driving age get FREE Learn to Drive lessons....
I think they get 5 or 6 free lesson tickets to take to any Driving School....
That would be a start....
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
I think time restrictions and/or power restrictions wont solve anything, not to mention difficult to enforce. What will the idiots do when they get to the age to be able to drive stupid fast cars? And how will they restrict modified cars? Not practical at all.
I think they should make it harder to get a licence in the first place and make it easier to lose it. The current system is outdated and silly. The computer hazard perception tests are pointless ( I'm on my blacks and have done both of them).
The proposed ban on V8's and Turbos/supercharged shows that they have NFI about cars. This still means a BMW M3 is legal, as is a Porsche 911 etc. Even power/weight ratios are not enforceable in the real world
Jon
For a start P platers shouldn't be allowed to drive V8's or turbos. Maybe even limit them to 4 cycl only. (this would also greatly reduce the amount of commodores on the road - a good thing!!) It won't stop stupidity entirely but stupidity tends to increase the more power under the hood.
Re: Education. How much more awareness does one need then 1200 road deaths per year?
GO MANLY!!
4 cylinders cars can be turboed even if not factory, as long as they got 10k to spare of course.......
There is a lot of it which is up to the P platers themselves. If you are a P plater or you know one who does stupid things (deadly) on the road. You should tell them that is not acceptable.
Don't be afraid to tell someone driving twice the limit that you do not accept it as 'an adrenalin rush' and they can slow down or let you out.
You guys have to change it as well. Don't expect someone to hand you the answer on a silver platter. You are the answer. Just cruise, enjoy the ride.
You can get your adrenalin rush at the showrides, or in bed if that is your thing.
maybe we need a company to build special p plater cars,
like yellow taxi company,,thats what they drive,and every one can see them coming....
i think this will take a lot of time to work out,stop grey imports,,,i dont think this will help,to many go fast motors avalible for aussie cars,,do you really think anything will slow down these p drivers,the worst is,the inocent deaths that are mates in the car,or other road users in the wrong place at the wrong time....i do like the no drive after 10pm...but that to has its problem....maybe more police and rules,first time caught 20ks over,car gets impounded,,,,i think the fines dont hit home,,i had a mate the cops got so feedup with,they took him to parramatta morge to see some dead messed up bodies from road accidents....
all in all ,its a major problem,and then they try to stop p drivers from drag racing,at venues like the creek,where safty comes first,they were saying its a come on for more street racing,,,,,i have 3 kids,i regret the day there wanting to get behind the wheel...........
cheers...
but for most conversions (ie the ones that didn't bring turbo models out) you will need to go through DOT for mod plates anyway.
But that's not really the point, you are still going to get P platers breaking the rules by driving cars that are off limits or breaking night curfews, but you'd hope that the penalities would be so harsh they'd think twice. If it saves only a few lives then that is worth it. :S
GO MANLY!!
You can get your adrenalin rush at the showrides, or in bed if that is your thing.
make love not speeding tickets!:kiss
oh yes and i totally disagree with curfews. how does one support ones self if we cant drive at night? with the sh!tty bus and train systems we have itd be nigh impossible for people to get to places on time.
another thing. if we cant drive at night, when are we going to learn how to? this would leave a generation on youths who are unaware of the hazards of drving at night. they would find night driving more appealing once off their Ps. Putting on a curfew is treating us like children, and how can one learn and mature if one is treated like the 3 year old who cant sit in the front seat because its for grown ups? i have front seat issues to this day... To this day im not allowed in the front seat coz its too dangerous... they even made me a restraint seat damn it! im 18 years old! why mother why??
...sorry bout that...
also, a simple change to registration papers could clearly indicate the power/weight ratio of a car. police could check a car much the same as they check for defects... simple. im not complaining.
i do complain about engine type bans though. eg: a mate of mine works on a dairy farm. he drives a f250 to transport equippment milk etc etc to and from parts of the farm... bubye job if this new law comes in. also, my father drives a turbo diesel landcruiser... piss weak no matter how fully sik a turbo is... bubye 2nd job for me if im not allowed to drive that anymore...
When they lose their licence these days...
Many still drive unlicenced.....
Car must be impounded.... and that is another kettle of fish...
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Seems to me the government wants to stop the following categories from driving on the road,
Young drivers, old drivers, inexperienced drivers, sports vehicles, performance vehicles, 4x4's, vintage, veteren, old vehicles.
Where does it stop, the only vehicles you will see are Saab', Volvo's and Mercedes driven by mid 40's white collar workers.
The only answer is to bring in mandatory driving tests every 5 years, if you fail you have to undertake extensive driving courses.
A bad driver does not have to fall into any one bracket, I have seen old people and young alike that shouldn't be on the road and just because a person wants to 'Hot' up his car or have a huge sound system dosent necessarily mean that person is more hazardous than a 4x4 with the orange disabled sticker.
Instead of pulling up vehicles with the incorrect clearance between tyre and guard, or too many decibels being generated from thier 3 inch stainless steel exhaust. How about more police presence where it is needed.
I would like to see driver training at schools introduced.
Also before giving them there P's make it compulsary to completea defensive driver training corse.
Also I think they should be restricted to carrying no more than 1 or 2 passengers.
Its here most of them get encouraged by there stupid arse mates to do stupid things in there cars.
What i want to know is how the hell do these young people, most of which are fresh out of school and don't even have part time work yet , get the money to own these high performance cars they are driving.
Its a sure bet the parents have lent them the money to buy them or they have signed the dotted line on the loan approval at a bank.
so I think the parents need a little realisation corse too.
Jasmine the 75 L Bug
56 oval, 2000 New Beetle
The "no driving after 10pm" bit has it's upside. If your working or have a similar reasonable excuse you would be able to get a permit from the RTA, of what description I dont know, that shows you are either on the job or traveling to or from work. So from that perspective it wouldnt restrict people who are genuinely just earning a wage.
From a dodgy memory the same sort of thing applied to high powered/performance cars, ie if it's a family/work car then you can drive it. The under bonnet restriction applied more to P platers not being able to register these cars under their own names. Now obviously there would be ways around it but then again nothing will be totaly fool proof.
Just watching a program on the discovery channel and it costs $2000 for driving tests and takes around two months to get a licence..... in Germany....
Then You can drive at 200kmh on the AutoBahns.....
Someone told Me that if You cause an accident on an Autobahn You lose Your license immediately......
So a Drivers licence costs alot in germany and You HAVE to drive sensibly or You lose it quite easily....
[if only We had a few Autobahns where radar guns are prohibited]
and 2L Golfs only cost $17,999..... 🙂🙂
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Che Castro wrote:The proposed ban on V8's and Turbos/supercharged shows that they have NFI about cars. This still means a BMW M3 is legal, as is a Porsche 911 etc. Even power/weight ratios are not enforceable in the real world
HELLO.....
Please show me a P plater driving an M3 or 911...
These come under the "Power to Wallet Ratio"
Limit them to those 2 cars and we will see Very Few P platers on the road...
I hate to admit it, but man, I think you're right....
Get caught doing 140 in a 70 on P's!! Either public shaming ( stocks) , flogging or put them in a cage and poke them with long pointy sticks!
Dan😉
"If i had to explain you wouldnt understand"
The Lower Class
responsibility is your own... survival of the fittest!
how many on here have done advanced driver or rider courses? probably not as many as those that have spoken. i have. mostly as i wanted to survive my repping years and, well bikes area whole nother section.
had a sister in law complain to me, that i drive too fast. and htat i was a danger. she started on this rave as she had jsut fallen pregnant, and had concerns about 'other drivers'... funny thing was, she was the worst you had seen, and couldnt even park properly and taught by the mother who was equally as bad. yet she was going to chaufer her 'precious child' around and had the nerve to sprout off at others. she still never did the cousre and has still carried on her rants, yet she has had one accident, although minor while her child was on board. now has two children, and still no course.
i dont think today is any different to 20 years ago. i had friends who died and friends who survived. like everything it is up to the person, and those around them. maybe you should all jsut encourage your family and friends to do the courses volunterially rather than jsut complain and ask it to be imposed on em. ie "act now and not react later"
Simply Cruzin'...
..... Twoguns is right. I used to drive up and down the UK for work and did a 2 day course by Ford of all people. Called Drive and survive. Covered Motorway driving , night driving etc etc. Really good course and i learnt so much about driving safely on the roads.
Saying that i ride bikes to which means you have to have a sixth sense anyway as car drivers rarely look out for bikes. Ask any Instructor and they'll tell you a bike rider is a safer car driver......
Dan😉
Dan
"If i had to explain you wouldnt understand"
The Lower Class
I passed my bike licence, it makes a difference as you look out for bikes even more. Maybe motorcycle training should also be part of your driving test.
Reading the above, I wonder how many did stupid things when they had just passed thier test, I know I did. Curfews I wonder how many middle aged people would have gladly accepted a curfew when they were 17, none.
Havn't teenagers got rights too, let them enjoy thier selves, you are taught to get too old too quick by governments, that target minority groups.
I heard the other day that the government are looking at making it near impossible to drive an old car on the roads, as they cause a hazard to other drivers, would we all accept it, not likely, so what is the difference.
Forget the curfews and the limit of passengers. I know I would have been real pissed off when I first got my licence at that stuff.
The power to weight system needs to be cleared up, Too many kids are driving around in quick cars and the way to stop them is impound the cars. Remember it is not about V8 or turbo. A turbo diesel will still be ok if it is in a big rig. A 6 cylinder 250 Cortina is not.
I suppose at the end of the day I can say I dont care because it is not part of my licence restrictions anymore. I just think that if P platers took it upon themselves to be more realistic, then this would be easier. Oh it is teenagers we are talking about. Well I was one once.
Yes, P Platers can get access to their parents or friends cars. Also P platers are not all under 25 too. Banning forced induction for P platers is silly and misguided. i.e. an old turbo saab is not fast in stock form. Yet a Honda NSX would be legal.
Yes saving lives should be paramount, but there has to be a point where people be responsible for their own lives. If we wanted no road toll then driving should be banned altogether right?
have a look at this its funny:
http://www.abd.org.uk/ht-kills.htm
WABaja wrote:Che Castro wrote:The proposed ban on V8's and Turbos/supercharged shows that they have NFI about cars. This still means a BMW M3 is legal, as is a Porsche 911 etc. Even power/weight ratios are not enforceable in the real world
HELLO.....
Please show me a P plater driving an M3 or 911...
These come under the "Power to Wallet Ratio"
Limit them to those 2 cars and we will see Very Few P platers on the road...
Jon
I really dislike the idea of having these sorts of restrictions because they limit my freedom, and because I believe that although I'm a P-plater, I'm quite sensible and a low risk person and therefore should be allowed to make my own choices about what sort of car I own.
Of course driving a VW, I'm unlikely to be affected by power to weight restrictions (unless they specifiy a minimum 🙂 ).
We cant go giving everyone too much freedom though can we?
Look what happens when you give everyone and anyone the 'Right' to bear arms!
yeah but they are americans so thats different :p 1/2 of them all believe in evolution too 🙂
We can give everyone freedom! (through the barrel of a gun) George Dubya style!
Jon
