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Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324024
Wobert the wobber!

I'll watch out for you bill 🙂

I also tend to agree with you on truth, that the only real truth is only what you believe as an individual. Oh I don't particularly like Hillsong church (or the family first party), but you guys already probably know that 🙂
Jon

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324033
Kroozin_Kikko wrote:whose religion and political actions were totally separate manners altogether.
Kinda like taking Jesus out of christianity?

Or Joseph Smith out or Moronism, sorry Mormonism.

lowrider Officially Full-On Dubber

329 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324036
HotRodMatt wrote:Well here's some seriousness with some Python thrown in.

Regarding the sermon on the mount...
Well, blessed is just about everyone with a vested interest in the status quo, as far as I can tell, Reg.
Sounds just about right!

....Blessed are the cheesemakers.....

ColumBUS Hail To The Bus Driver!

3,601 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#324038
HotRodMatt wrote:Kinda like taking Jesus out of christianity?

Or Joseph Smith out or Moronism, sorry Mormonism.
no. more like taking john howards personal life out of his political actions. what he has for dinner has nothing to do with the war in iraq.


...be quiet bignose!

Lams Wolfsburg Wizard

536 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#324080
Che Castro wrote:Oh I don't particularly like Hillsong church (or the family first party), but you guys already probably know that 🙂
I don't either. But jsut because they speak in tongues doesn't mean every other Christian does too! Gotta be aware that there's a huge variety of denominations in the world nowadays
speeding is bad!
relax - god's in charge

psychobuggers Seriously Crusin Dubber

173 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#324088
Are you lot the Judean Peoples Front?

Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#324090
nope, It's the Peoples front of Judea.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

ColumBUS Hail To The Bus Driver!

3,601 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#324091
well what happened to the Judean People's Front

...he's over there

:jesus

Herbie 53 Bugs are not nearly enough

764 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324092
I Love Python, part of why they are so funny lies in the fact they that usually offend someone, in these cases from the life of brian, they mock the ridiculous conclusions derrived by the masses.

We have observed cosmic background radiation and there are many theories which fit the observed facts and explain them. We use their properties for valuable insight into how the universe works, and from that we now have a good idea if the universe is open and expanding (it is). These are the white swans. If God was a black swan in this scenario, how does He (or She or It or Them) fit the observed facts?
Simple, God is believed to be phyically nonexistent until physically discovered.

you can't call a belief a fact till its proven, Facts need to be proven before the qualify as facts, until then they can only ever be theories.
You can believe a theory that hasnt been proven, but you cant call it a fact.
You can believe a fact once its proven
but to believe in something that is unproven is nothing more than a belief.
Theres nothing wrong with believeing in an unproven theory, however you should announce it not as a matter of fact, as does the Bible on the very first page.
It says "In the Beginning God created" blah blah blah;
But it should say.
There is an unproven theory that God even exists, all events and theorys and accounts herein after which relate to god, can be treated only as Theories and not as factual. and then date it in case things change unexpectedly.

If a white swan came along and vouched for the existece of a black swan or claimed to be the son of a black swan that doesn't actually Prove the existence of the black swan.
But it may help you BELIEVE that one does exist.

You cant reinforce beliefs as facts by simply quoting beliefs from a book of common beliefs, you can still only show your beliefs to be common beliefs, no matter how much you believe your beliefs.
Until Proven, they are not FACTS

as far as calling the Black swan/white swan analogy a fallacy, dont focus on the wrong part of the story, concentrate and pay attention.
If you dont concentrate and pay attention, you will end up beliving all sorts of crap.


Next thing you know you'll believe in :sandrine
Remember the theory, if you dont belive in fairies, they all die.
if you believe that statement then your logic missed that they can't die till they live and they cant live till you believe they do, and to require you to believe in them for them to BE at all means they are nothing more than figments of the imagination.
And Cute ones at that.:thumb
62 Ragtop Herbie with a little extra oomph.

Herbie 53 Bugs are not nearly enough

764 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324099
Heres on for ya,

The Pope

He is very old and not very well, but the catholics seem hell bent on proping him up on sticks and destroying his dignity like "a weekend at Bernies"
Its a weekend at the Vatican.

Why dont they just let him die?
Surely they believe that the one they hold highest will be good with their god when he gets to their Heaven.

Furthermore, their God is calling out for him to come home, is that not the belief that is preached all round the world?

By the slow and torturist death of their pope they aren't doing much for the image of the faith they have in their own beliefs now, are they?

Why dont they let him rest? why cant they give him a break for his own good?

Surely that would be the Christian thing to do, not to be so selfish as to torture their Pope to death in Public.
62 Ragtop Herbie with a little extra oomph.

penguin ackkkkkk thhhhhpt!

3,383 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324102
herbie,
before you start talking about the Pope I would strongly recommend you find out a bit more than what you have demonstrated in your post. U2U me if you want clarification.
'Ah, whatever................'

~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl

1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#324104
Oasis wrote:Here here Herbie. I totally agree, and with Penguin. Air fooled, why does seeing a ghost prove God? If anything it only proves ghosts.
how can a ghost exist without any type of god or afterlife i ask you? if i see an image of someone passed, that is just that, an image, how exactly is that projected in that exact form? if we are without god the owner of that image is rotting away in the earth somewhere unknown.. its a physical impossibility in regards to science...

god cant be justified with science, thats why its called faith. if you choose to have no faith then that is your choice, i have faith for what i have seen and felt and if i am wrong when my time is up then i have lost nothing.

i myself believe in god but see evolution as part of the whole plan of things... maybe an each way bet!? hahaha.....
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..

Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324112
I said I dislike hillsong, not other denominations. Most of those evangelical churches are the ones I dislike most. Their materialism is sickening, as is their terrible music 🙂

I think the current pope kinda strangely symbolises the church these days.
Jon

Herbie 53 Bugs are not nearly enough

764 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324114
I better go buy some easter eggs because christianity has trained society to ridicule and despise the non comformist.

Try tellin your girlfriend that you dont believe in god so you didnt buy her any easter eggs.

Penguin, do you mean that there is another reason why the pope has to be paraded right up till his death?

I Bet there is.
62 Ragtop Herbie with a little extra oomph.

penguin ackkkkkk thhhhhpt!

3,383 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324116
Bugger he left before I could talk.
Oh well. from a Cathiolic Church website:

'Although the Pope has repeatedly stated that he has no intention of resigning, many other critics have suggested that he is now too frail to continue the running of this vital Christian denomination. Continued health problems, including Parkinson’s disease, arthritis, and the effects of repeated surgery have only gone on to encourage his critics in condemning his physical abilities to lead the millions of Catholics worldwide.'

So why bother to bring up a point such as that? It has no real relevance to a sensible debate on this subject. Not that I believe that this has been a sensible debate. More like a series of disjointed statements from people who sometimes have taken things far too personally and have not learned to live within their own lives and feel compelled to force or deliver their personal views onto others as the correct one.
'Ah, whatever................'

Herbie 53 Bugs are not nearly enough

764 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324119
Dont forget, todays science only encompasses what we have learned so far, not the whole of the story, we still keep learning every day.

the earth used to be considered flat, and was probably not really up for debate till proven otherwise.
62 Ragtop Herbie with a little extra oomph.

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324120
Che Castro wrote:I said I dislike hillsong, not other denominations. Most of those evangelical churches are the ones I dislike most. Their materialism is sickening, as is their terrible music
Putting the money grubbing aside. There is a reason for their 'happy clapping' and the programmed singing. It is the same reason that monks chant and shaman dance and rastas smoke dope. The left brain shuts down. The right brain is then susceptible to suggestion.

Herbie 53 Bugs are not nearly enough

764 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324122
oh, and Penguin, this thread is a reaction to preaching about someones one true God.

to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This thread has a long way to go before its equal to the action it is opposing, and each time it gets topped up, it then becomes much longer.
62 Ragtop Herbie with a little extra oomph.

ColumBUS Hail To The Bus Driver!

3,601 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#324128
air fooled:

a 'ghost is meant to be the spirit or soul of a dead person. if ghosts were roaming the earth, that would mean that the souls of men and women arent going to heaven or hell.

serious hole in the god exists plan

penguin ackkkkkk thhhhhpt!

3,383 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324132
PS. Easter eggs have very little to do with Christianity and its version of Easter. The celebrations, of which Eggs form a part of, are a combination of a number of religious celebrations (the dates are albeit set to Passover and the Western Orthodox Christian Calender) princiaplly for Christian and Jewish religions but has also got pagan ties thrown in.

As was in this or another thread ( relating to Christmas and Santa Claus) it is an example of good product merchandising move by someone/companies a long time back to sell chocolate.
'Ah, whatever................'

penguin ackkkkkk thhhhhpt!

3,383 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324135
Not really Kikko,
for the R. Catholics there purgatory. Did anyone have to say it was not based on/in this realm?

hole closed?

This is no longer a balanced discussion. The original post has been removed, therefore how can it now be balanced?

[Edited on 23-3-2005 by penguin]
'Ah, whatever................'

~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl

1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#324141
Kroozin_Kikko wrote:air fooled:

a 'ghost is meant to be the spirit or soul of a dead person. if ghosts were roaming the earth, that would mean that the souls of men and women arent going to heaven or hell.

serious hole in the god exists plan
and for a soul or spirit to be roaming let alone exist justifies my arguement but shoots holes in yours matey... according to your scientific beliefs vs justification or not of god, matter can neither be created or destroyed.... what is this soul doin wanderin around when hes buried in the ground for worm food!? how can multiple people see the same image without being delusional? but hey, this is just my experience...

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by ~air fooled~]
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..

ColumBUS Hail To The Bus Driver!

3,601 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#324145

Putting the money grubbing aside. There is a reason for their 'happy clapping' and the programmed singing. It is the same reason that monks chant and shaman dance and rastas smoke dope. The left brain shuts down. The right brain is then susceptible to suggestion.
i think someone's paranoid...

chanting singing dancing and toking put you in a certain state of mind, but not in that way matt.

ganja (dope) is used by rastafarians in order to feel the peaceful state of mind that the hallucenogenic brings. it is said that this state of mind is experiencing zion (heaven on earth) and can be achieved permanently through meditiation and a healthy lifestyle. for many the use of ganja is no longer needed at all to live in 'zion'.

chant is used by monks in order to do the same thing. elevate the spirit to a new and higher mentality, to detach from the world of today and find a happier peaceful place within your soul.

shamans dance to elevate adrenaline in their systems.

all of the above practices are performed by people already devoted to their religion/way of life

i dont know much about hillsong church... and their use of songs, tongues and clapping.

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324152
Kikko. Go to an Anthony Robbins forum. His motivational (cult) fora use the same technique. The left brain shut down is used to slow rational thought and analysis.

But then again. Analysis is beyond some people who can only repeat.

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324162
Kroozin_Kikko wrote:
shamans dance to elevate adrenaline in their systems.
Have you seen one? I have - the only visions they get are from delerium from the combination of oxygen starvation, lactic acid burn from their activity and substances ingested.

When you go and see these 'traditional' shaman in the flesh, talk for hours to people of the same culture and have some intimate knowledge I might believe you have some idea of what you are talking about.

Jonno777 Slammed & Awesome Dubber

89 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#324163
Kroozin_Kikko wrote:air fooled:

a 'ghost is meant to be the spirit or soul of a dead person. if ghosts were roaming the earth, that would mean that the souls of men and women arent going to heaven or hell.

serious hole in the god exists plan
I've seen ghosts too, Airfooled, and understand them to be demons. Demons are not the spirit of a dead person, yet they can mould themselves into a person's appearance and character.

Kikko, if what airfooled saw was a demon, that doesn't rock the Bible's solidity at all, but merely confirms the spirit world.

I have seen people healed of diseases (deafness, blindness, crippled states) through the power of Jesus Christ, and have cast demons out of people in His name. Every instance confirms to me that God's Word is true. 😉

dodge Fahrvergnugen

958 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#324164
Kindness is a trait that belongs to no religion.
Every person is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs regardless of how they got them.
Please remember this.

~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl

1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#324165
hahahaha, bingo, hahaha... good point matt

[Edited on 23/3/2005 by ~air fooled~]
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..

~air fooled~ two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl

1,429 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#324169
Jonno777 wrote:
Kroozin_Kikko wrote:air fooled:

a 'ghost is meant to be the spirit or soul of a dead person. if ghosts were roaming the earth, that would mean that the souls of men and women arent going to heaven or hell.

serious hole in the god exists plan
I've seen ghosts too, Airfooled, and understand them to be demons. Demons are not the spirit of a dead person, yet they can mould themselves into a person's appearance and character.

Kikko, if what airfooled saw was a demon, that doesn't rock the Bible's solidity at all, but merely confirms the spirit world.

I have seen people healed of diseases (deafness, blindness, crippled states) through the power of Jesus Christ, and have cast demons out of people in His name. Every instance confirms to me that God's Word is true. 😉
hey mate, im not sure as to who they are or what side they represent, but its more then enough to make me believe in god...
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..

penguin ackkkkkk thhhhhpt!

3,383 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#324185
Well said Ms Dodge 🙂

(all parts of it)
'Ah, whatever................'