HotRodMatt wrote:
This goes back to what I said before about a "Nationals" being 'owned' by a club. Club VeeDub do a good show - they get a good turn up and work at hard at putting the show on so this is by no means a slight against them.
A "Nationals" by definition is a show/comp that embraces and represents an entire scene. Most "nationals" events are the combined efforts of a number of clubs/groups. A "Nationals" event showcases emerging trends, historical influences, the best, the average and the horrible.
A "nationals" that is 'our event' is a nationals in name only.
Look at other "nationals' events. The event is put on not by one club. The trophies are usually sponsored by all the clubs attending and often even the 'lone wolves'. The organisation and amenities are provided by groups and clubs cooperatively. The VW scene IS big enough for this and still have room and support for clubs to have their own shows.
Rats do against the grain. That is the point. They subvert the show system and expose the supposed objective judging of the show system. However a piece of shit with some rims is not a rat. It might be ratty, but not a rat. But that's the problem with terms - the definition changes. Subjective judging (some may say it is already used in all classes) or popular choice are the only ways to measure cars that do not fit the show judging formula.
Matt, thats a bit harsh about a piece of shit...
But i agree on the rest...about the "nationals"...
As for going against the grain, variety is good, keeps people interested and coming back. They ask themselves "what will be next?" Keep people wondering and interested...
I love some of the perfectly restored vehicles, the stockies and customs (some i hate), I love matts 55, but I also love the original full of history vehicles. What makes matts split even sweeter is the history behind it, the big arse motor sticking out the back, painting it in the backyard, his background in toranas (crazy).
I love the underground movement in the VW scene that goes against the grain...anyone can pay big bucks and restore a car or buy one restored, you just need a well paid job, but you cant buy history and a good story or a bit of fun and games...enjoy
In the UK, where early Golfs are respected, there is a fad going around where guys applied bulk paint stripper to there Mk1's and 2's to the point where there was no paint at all. They then allowed them to rust, with a lovely matt mottled ochre colour covering the whole car. I dont think the netionals should cater for this, either.
There is no doubt that the rat style can be attractive, but the best rats IMO are those with good original paint dumped low and cleaned for the show. In this instance the rat thing would surely be catered for through the best daily driver category.
Just my thoughts... Club VW cant cater fully to every single niche group that starts up or exists within the plethora of interest sub groups within the VW scene.
Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.
How come?
...cos there are a plethora of them...
Like I said, the best rats are covered by the daily driver category. As an organiser of the Canberra weekend, I would find it difficult to add a category to cater for that niche. That said, it would be a shame for rats to be unrepresented at the nationals.
Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.
SteveMk2 wrote:Club VW cant cater fully to every single niche group that starts up or exists within the plethora of interest sub groups within the VW scene.
No they can't but a collectively organised nationals event can. Look at the ASRF Street Rod Nationals or the Hot Rod Rumble both of which were held on the same weekend.
Both had trophies/categories (both subjectively and objectively judged) sponsored or organised by different clubs. Both had categories supported by lone wolves. Neither show was 'owned' by any one club - the ASRF organised the Nationals but didn't take ownership of it. There is no talk of going against the grain as the grain IS THE ENTRANTS AND SPECTATORS.
If there are so many niche groups and interests then maybe it is time for the Nationals to become the (veedub) Nationals rather than the Club VeeDub Nationals. The Club VeeDub show even if still called the nationals wouldn't be threatened by such a show. The calendar is wide open and I'm sure Club VeeDub would benefit as much from a Nationals as much as other clubs, lone wolves and the scene in general.
Other clubs could sponsor particular events and trophys...
Club VeeDub could still host it and still get the profits, but other clubs could have some input and a variety of different events on the day...
We could .... just give every one a trophy as they enter the gate....
Now that would solve the problems.... LOL
Dave that would be silly, I dont even want a trophy, i didnt even register the split i was driving...just dont understand the resistence to change and progress...🙂
byronbus wrote:Matt, thats a bit harsh about a piece of shit...
Is it? A rat isn't some decaying car pulled from under a tree.
Frenzix and Ben Livingstone had probably the defining rats there. One a barn find, made roadworthy (even if the bling blings have been added) and the other a car made largely by the owner using whatever could be scrounged up to make a cool, working car.
A car that was paraded around with doors flapping and involving a realistic danger to spectators and surrounding cars should have been escorted out of the venue. If anything had have happened with that thing the insurers wouldn't have touched the claims. It was the height of disrespect to the organisers and spectators.
I have to quietly agree with the last part of this statement. It was also sad to see an old bus treated so appallingly.
Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.
HotRodMatt wrote:byronbus wrote:Matt, thats a bit harsh about a piece of shit...
Is it? A rat isn't some decaying car pulled from under a tree.
Frenzix and Ben Livingstone had probably the defining rats there. One a barn find, made roadworthy (even if the bling blings have been added) and the other a car made largely by the owner using whatever could be scrounged up to make a cool, working car.
A car that was paraded around with doors flapping and involving a realistic danger to spectators and surrounding cars should have been escorted out of the venue. If anything had have happened with that thing the insurers wouldn't have touched the claims. It was the height of disrespect to the organisers and spectators.
Mat, it wasnt found under a tree or in a paddock...
Cmon guys, it was beyond repair, did you bother to look at it?
And as far as i understand, the organisers gave permission for a drive around the complex, no one was in any danger or their cars...just a bit of fun...
[Edited on 30/3/2005 by byronbus]
It was the height of disrespect to the organisers and spectators.
yeah well u just carnt tell some people .....
...regardless... it had the spectating entertainment of seeing someone beat a crippled horse...
Steve. Classic 85 Mk2 2dr GTI 8v Optioned sunroof and 15"BBS RS alloys. Koni yellow and H&R, Balanced bottom end, flowed top end, Neuspeed 268 cam.
Anyway, fun was had, there was no intention to offend anyone, just a bit of fun and something different...
Cant wait til next year...
[Edited on 30/3/2005 by byronbus]
SteveMk2 wrote:I have to quietly agree with the last part of this statement. It was also sad to see an old bus treated so appallingly.
So Appallingly! Should it be Crushed then, or left in a shed to turn to dust, as you could see the car was passed restoration, get it out there and show it off, not piss it off
ITS A VW
Andy
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byronbus wrote:no one was in any danger or their cars...just a bit of fun...
Except for at least one person I saw nearly knocked flying by the swinging door.
i personally would like to be smashed by a flying double door, it's the way to go i think.
its funny how some people are jelous of others having fun, and grabbing the attention... i only know of a few humbugs that didn't like watching it cruze... And YES PERMISSION WAS ALLOWED!!!!
And YES PERMISSION WAS ALLOWED!!!!
Sorry i said NO but you just carnt tell some people.....
I dont know who you ask ???
just dont understand the resistence to change and progress...
Please enlighten me on the rules n regulations and criteria for a RAT look ??? and how one is to be judged ???
Any time you want to organise a show your welcome to add n delete any thing you want .... I wont complain.. Come to think of it when is the next show ??
well someone said yes that apparantly had authority..
Someone AINT me...
i didn't say you
🙂
tim you said we had permission
haha dont put this on me .. AHHHH theres disorder in the ranks
Tim Finn from the Band Split Ends ????
thats funny dave, you do have a sense of humor
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