If the forum continues with its negative attitude and bitching and fighting constantly, then we are going to lose members, which may even include me. I've had enough.
There has always been fighting and little tiffs, but not what it is like these days with big fights, lawsuits, and all sorts of bitching about prices of things and so on..
People don't want to come here anymore folks. Thats what it has come to. Been coming for a while, granted, but now more than ever, there is more active members here due to mandatory sign ups than ever before, and we are putting on a big shitfight show for the whole world to see.. not good enough.
I'm sick of warning people. I am sick of banning people and the headaches that go with it all.
I didn't make this thing so people could fight on it. It's now becoming more descructive than constructive to the VW scene in Australia, and if it doesn't change, I will consider simply shutting the doors, or leaving.
Sorry to see it get like this, and don't blame anyone for it. I believe it is an attitudinal problem that people are now starting to associate with this site.
When this site all started and the ball got rolling, people were encouraging each other, the topics were positive, and whilst opinionated weren't offensive to other peoples views, and so on.. Nowadays, forget it. Shot down within minutes. There is someone there waiting to jump down your throat all the time it seems. People don't follow rules, no matter how much you ask em, and then wonder why their posts get removed...
Well I'm over it.
THE LOWEST WITH THE MOSTEST BLING BLING WINS!!
Thats true
But there are those of us who are doing the right thing and I for one don't want to see the end of it! I spose you should just have a one strike and your out policy. Hopefully those of us who are sensible will outlast the riff raff.
Rob....
Boxer Power
Member of DMLRK.....Die Mittler Lebuns Resto Komeradschaft
I mentioned this last week.
I dont post as much as I used to. it just doesnt seem the happy chilled place that it was a while ago.
I am the first to admit that I have started some posts to get reactions but they never had a go at anyone personally.
Its the same with this bad attitude section.
I cant see why we need it on a VW forum.
If I wanted to talk about my sex life or to see how big I am by seeing how many swear words I can include in one sentance, well there are proberbly sites you can do this on.
I now visit another site more than this and it is a refreshing change as they help and encourage each other.
I expect I will get slagged off for my comments anyway.
Cheers
Dave
The unfortunate thing is that people put in negative comments, and stir people up on purpose.....people are making a cognicent effort to be negative towards others.
It's pretty simple to be nice to others, peoples. If you have a problem with that on the Forum, go and take it out elsewhere - or not at all.
there seem to alot of older members who arn't here, or don't post as much as they used to. The forum has changed ALOT.
I try and limit how much i post and in what forums, eg stick to the racing and tech sections...........
see what happens in the future?
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
I'm with Dave on BA too.....whilst I've been on there, perhaps it's not what we need afterall. It was worth having ago, but has perhaps created some walls between people.
All good karma to everyone. :sandrine
I'm a bit of a noob here, and i have seen the evil darkness of this forum. Its very prominent.
I've been roused on (pretty nastily) cause i was new for not knowing about the search funtion, or about polls etc. I was roused on and had a persistent guy jumping down my throat because he took offense by misunderstanding my language. By all means, its still a great place for info (Hence why im still here), but it does have its scum. (im not refering to anyone particular, otherwise they would jump down my throat AGAIN).
But it is an issue. fancy adults like you guys (well the majority) pickin' on me (a 16 year old). Ive been called a fuck wit and everything here. And i have only been here for a couple of weeks. There are the good people around, theres no doubt about it. (which is great, there warming welcome and understanding of my NOOB ways is also what kept me here).
But ITS GOTTA STOP.
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When you promote a forum with a "bad Attitude" section it's not surprising that people develop "bad attitudes". By the same token this "Bad Attitude" forum has taken allot of the "non vw posts" out of general chit chat and other sections.
The forum has changed allot, but everything in life does. Things wax and wane.
More then ever this forum is developing a commercial face. There are allot of people with a commercial interest posting on the forum. People may have a problem with this commercial interest over their hobby.
I still find this forum useful so I plan to stick around. I apologise if I am one of the ones you want gone.
[Edited on 3/5/2005 by MikeM]
"the only constant in the universe is change"
just hate to see what society changes into in 20 yrs time.........:cry
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
From a member of a forum that is explicitly designed to "piss off the purists" and where taking the piss out of each other is expected in every other post...
I don't think at one moment you could have looked at me and didn't see a huge smile (or giggle) . It was just so amazing to be around all these incredible people who are so real, and true to themselves, and I sat down at one point in the evening and thought, it's those damn vw's that brought this group together, though really everyone was there to meet each other, then I thought, yeah all those other groups that i have been apart of have got it all wrong, this is what it is supposed to be like!
It makes me sad to think that the forum has got so bad that one of the most important people here doesn't like it anymore.
I don't go in the BA forum, but it seems that since it's recent creation the problems havn't got better, they may have gotten worse.
I think this place was and can still be the best dub site on the net if only people would think before they act and just be a bit more careful before they decide to stir the pot.
I don't post here that much, but I try to make all my comments relevent and in good taste. It's not rocket science, I don't have to try very hard...
Just have some respect. This place is too good to go to the dogs.
Eden.
Thats the best answer I have seen. I totaly agree.
Rob...
Boxer Power
Member of DMLRK.....Die Mittler Lebuns Resto Komeradschaft
I agree with squizy and Dave. I think the BA forum isn't doing us any good.
I don't come on as much as I used to, even though I'm a moderator.....
Its not even fun to moderate anymore!!! And the only U2Us I get nowadays are ones for reported bad posts!!
Lets go back to being one big happy family.... PLEASE!!!!!
I've been on the forum since the ezboard days and it didn't used to be so bitchy. It has turned recently turned that way. People on other forums often mention how bitchy it is on AVD. There is the bulk of regulars that are pretty cool and laid back, it's just a few people who stir shit. I think as a whole we need to relax a bit more, we are all a bit too uptight sometimes
I havent been on the BA forum yet, but i'll check it out soon
[Edited on 29-4-2005 by Che Castro]
Jon
ege works...
u cant solely blame ba....the negative vibes came before that...i think that was why ba was actually set up (or oenof the reason)
In the forum there is very little bitching & back biting going on...unless a post from general chit chat actually got moved into it...
(which we've seen...and here is my fav...once a post or two, which were in general chitchat and then moved ..(due to the concern to the moderators)...ppl stopped posting on it...there r very few posts being made too it now....)
sure there are silly posts, but if someone hurts someone..or found something they said/posted upset someone else...the person who committed the offending post tends to remove it or apologise for it straight away....or both.
so before u say its BAs fault....check it out again...no anger...no fighting between the main ppl who post....its really just sillyness in there........
I cannot say for same in other forums....
BUT u know what, there is a point u made which i do fully agree with. its about respect....
not every one thinks the same...& u have to have respect for the differences that exist between parties, as much as anything else, in order for any forum/democracy to work...
and honestly, it comes down to this...if u wouldnt say something to, or about a person, whilst u were standing in front of them...then it is not appropriate to do it thru a forum...any forum...
So if anyone is having trouble working out what is good a good post to place up...compared to bad....just think of it like this...
What i am about to do/or say & the reactions i cause... ...would it make my mum proud???
dubless. 🥲
🥷 And who the helled parked the Mitsubishi "Prancer" under my house??? 🥷
i have noticed a lot of the older wiser dubers missing lately too.
it seems to have started when everyone started to try and achive a certain mark or beat someone elses post counts.
we started to get silly comments thrown in here and there just to add another number higher.
people are like sheep, they follow each other with everything they do.
so when someones gets away with being smart the rest will see that and continue on the same lines.
I'm not sure if the BA forum was a good idea, as someone else has said to me. It has taken all the people who made general chit chat a little interesting away from it and into BA to talk crap.
anyways, thats my dribble for the week😉
Jasmine the 75 L Bug
56 oval, 2000 New Beetle
Hey Guys,
Mike please understand that the commercial face you mention, re me and Roy, we (and other sponsors) put our hands up and paid good money to this forum in sponsorship, we therefore do have a right to recomend parts etc for sale, it is our business's, like others go out to work in pubs,hospitals,tradesmen etc, i now do most of my business over the net and will have a new website up and running next week, please dont take it the wrong way bud!
anyhow, i use BA but i feel it is BN (bad news) dump it, also dump the post counts, just have member since blabla, ppl will know when you joined the site. we need more project stories etc, i know i have a few on the go, my 2c worth
Andy
[Edited on 29/4/2005 by VolksFolks]
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i'll admit i did the whole post count thing last night.. didnt get very far..and it was only cos mikem sed he'd beat me... but i think scrapping the post count is a good idea.. registered since, is plenty of "status"
i remember when coming here was to get away from the flamewarz of OCAU
and bad attitude - should vW's be associated with bad attitudes?
btw i love this website, and love to see it continue to run, and be a great place of the VW community in Australia to be able to hang out, and chat when there isnt a show on🙂
Tagedeezee Heezy
This is a worry.
We need to save this forum whatever the cost.
(even if it means I have to behave myself)
I admit we have a commercial face now but that is great,
the traders belong here and the more the merrier. We need them for our hobby and they need us.
BA forum is a good laugh but will probably die out eventually.
Anything else to help this place and Im all ears.
I agree. the agro is getting outta hand. I ve seen other popular forums suffer due to this and it aint good. The best brains end up giving the place a miss.
" You're not a team player "
i agree with Sax ,we need to save our forum ,the traders are good to have on here as they know what you want and where to get it:thumb
the post count needs to be shot out the window , and the ba forum .... well its not really VW is it,the for sales etc is good as have bought some great stuff from there,but people must respect what others think there stuff is worth ,if they dont like a price they dont need to buy,but instead they post crap about the item,Guys thats not on ,as i`ve read what others have posted ,this is the best Veedub site and would miss its information and some of the laughs ive had so far🙂
Just my 2cents worth as well
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https://www.facebook.com/FlatFourI don't know if my opion counts for much if people only look at how many posts I make. I've been visiting on and off for over 12 months but only became a member after I finally got my kombi. In that time I have seen alot of change in this site with the way people treat each other.
I am forever telling my kids "if you wouldn't like someone doing it or saying it to you, then don't do it" or " will I get into trouble for saying/doing this; yes, well I better not do it" but it seems people are now on here to cause trouble. Maybe they see this site as a way to get easy compensation for slander or defamation of character, who knows. This wasn't the reason I finally got my kombi. I just wanted to finally mellow out and enjoy life.
I had my time in my late teens/early twenties where I wanted to punch everyones light out etc. and am over all that. It seems there will be stirrers not matter what happens and some people can take it better than others. But you will find most of the trouble makers are also the biggest whingers when the shoe is on the other foot. Gutless little wonders who can dish it out but not take it themselves.
I enjoy most posts put on here and ignore the crap when it surfaces. I have also gained some very useful information and contacts from this site. I would hate to think this could all be lost because of the minority.
That's my two cents worth, peace.:kiss
I'm for the 'registered since' idea instead of post counts. Might have a surprisingly soothing effect.
Just want to acknowledge the mods too as their workload must have significantly increased since memberships and posts have risen. Thanks to you guys I have learnt so much in a little under a year, and I doubt I could have anywhere else.
Just my 2c
It's a sad day when it comes to this. The guy that started it all, who we have to thank for this. Actually states as he did his feelings on what is happening to this forum.
I read alot more than i post on here. I can see the change that has gone on. I must admit i look at the posts and more often than not head to Volkszone.
I would spend ages somedays on here reading threads, but alas not much nowadays.
Change is always going to happen. But I hope this wave of change doesn't cost us this forum. I joined this before i even migrated to live here in oz, after seeing Jim's ride in volksworld.
I just hope the direction changes to one of the old days of AVD before it's too late.
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I post bugger all because there is nothing of relevance to post about anymore. You read the same crap every day,someone having a winge or a swearing session on BA. What happened to all the VW talk??? Most definetly going the way of the dodo....unfortunately😠
tssnq.com.au
i too have noticed this.....when i 1st joined up i could go for days just reading before i would post anything, now days theres not much worth reading 🙁
i also hope that things start to swing back to the old ways 😎
Founding member of the C'town Rat-Pack
I love this forum. I have seen it go down hill with repeated bagging and stupid replies.
Just remember if you can't say something nice don't say it. Prices are between buyers and sellers, if you can offer a better price or where to get it start a new post don't hijack.
As far as the commercial side being on the forum, Its great, some can be iffy sometimes but no bad comments should go on the forum. Personal u2u or email if available and people are warned without a cat fight
So how do WE start again and reduce the signal to noise ratio?
I hate to say it but BA has to go, we all know who the sickos are now so let it
go and then maybe vw posts will return instead.
Old timers and smart vw folk need to be encouraged back.
Moderators must adopt a slash and burn approach to any bullshit.
" You're not a team player "
sax wrote:(edited)
Old timers and smart vw folk need to be encouraged back.
Moderators must adopt a slash and burn approach to any bullshit.
Finally some good reading
tssnq.com.au
sax wrote:Moderators must adopt a slash and burn approach to any bullshit.
hear hear
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and on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/FlatFourIt is good to know there is some positive thoughts about moderation. Some have other views and in fact there have been times when people are downright disrespectful to moderators. Threatening to sue (blah blah) is included in this.
In fact I am going to go right ahead now to post some positive VW stuff. Who want's to join me?
