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frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#348885
fucking hell dude, it's just a forum get over it. You sound like your whole life revolves around it.
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Jay_1965vw Chatting Babe

1,429 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#348944
I've stayed out of this until now - although I have noticed the whole place sliding down a big hill...

Unfortunately Spook - I'm with Kol, you are NOT rational about Andrew. A lot of what you say about this place in general has merit, but you do seem to have an unreasonable grudge. Would you like him to leave? The place would fall over. Andrew is what makes this place tick (the little cogs behind it, not the day to day what you see on the surface).

I hope everyone will learn to play nice soon. I'm about to go do teaching practice with grade 1s and 2s... I'd like to interact with adults when I get home 🙂

For the record, I'd like to see the post counts removed from easy view.

*off to read some positive vee dubbin*

Jay
Part of Melbourne's Unreal Aircooled VW Community

jenz58 Postal Menace

9,121 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349028
...kol nice to hear from you again :kiss

Spook....what to come into bad attitude and have a mud wrestle with us to get over it all a bit....

I doubt when there has been explainations of actions you have read them with the intent of listening to the words ...

Yes it would be an incredible loss to the VW community here in Australia is this forum folded because of a few hot headed idiots who have rarely contributed anything constructive to this community
"All you need is trust and a little bit of pixie dust!"

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=22473
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=56558#pid535643

...so I don't loose the links to my rides again hehehe

vanderaj Administrator a suffusion of yellow

3,130 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349083
Colin,

generally, if a moderator hasn't read the Moderator's Paradise in a week, then they never will. We can't wait for a few weeks for every decision. I don't want to have weekly "Staff Roll Calls" like I experience on other forums as I feel it's demeaning.

There have been moderator guidelines for more than two years. See post 5982 from 5/4/2003. New moderators know that I send them an e-mail when they join stating this as well. Suspended posts has existed since at least 28/2/2003.

I think the idea of the general membership voting in new moderators is a good one. Maybe next time, we'll use that (modulo Jim's and Brad's thoughts on the matter).

Andrew

vwombat Hey Ho - Lets GO!

1,218 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#349108
RIP Thorun
RIP Heather
RIP Ducky
Slowly flatlining - Frenzix
Ditto but faster - Moi!

At least I've gotten to meet these people and become friends. Wouldn't have been possible without the forum. Thanks all responsible!

As for the rest of this self righteous blah - it's so petty and passionate - who'd want to be a regular contributor anymore? Methinks a few people need to hone their social skills out in the real world for a while before returning to AVD.

What a pathetic storm in a teacup!

Spook Driving the 64 wheeler

1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349200
Am I passionate about this forum? Yes, & I make no apology for that.

Jay, the place was here long before Andrew & in case you haven't noticed, it is falling over.

What would I like him to do??
After outright calling me a liar in this thread, I'd like him to come within arms reach. That I don't forgive.
Failing that, get back to asking about changes before making them.
We are members, not disciples.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.

kombi_kid Moderator Good Kid too many projects

124 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349201
its very sad it has come to this!!! its sort of sounds like the things you here off your grandparents complaining "ah it just isnt like the good ole days blah blah blah" but unfortuantely time does roll on and it is th "new days" things run differently people just have to accept that there is nothing anyone can do about it not even back to the future can save us know!!
anyway spook dude ill catch up with ya for a :beer next time im down your way and we will talk positive VW stuff:thumb:thumb:thumb
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd

blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#349207
i dont think that there is much that can be done about the way people interact on here... things change... sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse... censorship is not the answer.... restriction is not the answer... you cant control all of the people all of the time... since i joined this forum there has always been the nasty side of it.. and when provoked i have been guilty of participation in that side also... but in general the forum has been a great place to be and and a great source of information. It has also enabled me to participate in VW events interstate and meet forum members from interstate that i probably would not have ever met.
I think the positives of this forum far outway the minor negatives that you will encounter no matter what you do.
Just my 2c
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#349252
Spook you seem to have so much anger!

Did you know I play with the bus every weekend now? We pat the dash and say we love it? The Beetle would sleep in our bedroom with us if it would fit through the doorway and didn't leave oil stains on the rug?

It is all about fun and laughs. 🙂 I enjoy VW stuff, I enjoy people talking about the oddities in their life, I enjoy just hangin' out with you all. I can log on to any number of Google - Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages if I want something different.

This place is what we make it and you are adding anger. Blind Freddy can see that! :kiss from Fleur, :kiss from the Beetle, :kiss from the Bus, and well 🙂 from Me!
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byronbus dsk

4,204 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#349277
I apologise for any shit stirring, changing my ways, encouragement all the way...

dsk member
www.dsk.com.au

theverybigtallman Wolfsburg Wizard

405 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#349320
i think
- post count needs to dissapear. drag racing is usually interesting, but not when your racing numbers.

- any non constructive and/or non vw bs need to be kept away from the stuff that is relevant. it ain't fun when there's nothing interesting to read.

- any thread-hijacking comments need to be deleted. a thread might go from me trying to find a 1200 motor for my car to discussing what someone had for tea or what someone else did to their windows last night. it kind of defeats the purpose of me asking.

- i also think this register-before-you-view thing needs a fix as well. 200+ new members is good, but if stuff all of them are posting, what's the point?

that my $0.02
early 60s beetle for sale - ex bush basher - spares - $100 or offers

foxy_fuchsia Insano Dub Head

803 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#349332
All I can say is ***ANGER MANAGEMENT!!***

People shouldn't use this forum to vent there anger, go do it elsewhere! Anywayz, I am soooo over it. Most people arn't going to change and we just seem to be going around in circles! I am going to stick to the areas I want to and keep out of this shit.

CIAO!!!

jenz58 Postal Menace

9,121 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349374
This is one forum's handling of this issue

Trolling other Fark members: Fark is a site whose mascot is a squirrel with huge nuts, and whose favorite pasttime is boobies and beer. Funny and weird news stories are how the ball got rolling. Most of the comments made here threaten bladder control. Unfortunately, disagreements can and will happen - but there is no need for them to become personal.
TotalFark accounts come with an Ignore Feature. If posts from a particular user are intolerable, they may be added to your personal ignore list. Personal attacks made by anyone including name calling, threats, and any other form of directed attacks against other users will result in suspension of posting.

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Also included in this is harrassment -- for example, encouraging people to call someone on the phone, flood a website/mailbox, etc because they were mentioned in a linked article. (See also "messages containing private information" below.)

Repeatedly reposting something that was deleted: Usually posts are removed for a reason (see above). Reposting it repeatedly, or complaining about it (also see above) is not recommended. Reposting a deleted inline image as a link instead is generally OK (also also see above). Posting something on behalf of someone else that was banned is also uncool

Repetitive messages: Cross-posting, flooding, spamming, advertising for a website, etc. If there's a website out there that people need really need to see - or if you would like more exposure for your own - please use our Classifieds section (and gird your servers for the incoming traffic).
"All you need is trust and a little bit of pixie dust!"

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=22473
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=56558#pid535643

...so I don't loose the links to my rides again hehehe

jenz58 Postal Menace

9,121 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349375
...and I thought this one was good

Messages devoid of content: Posts like 50 lines of the letter "J", arrows pointing at the Personal of The Day (there is a Fark Personals Forum if you wish to make comments), "First Post", "who cares", "why was my post deleted", off-topic posts, threadjacking, complaining about links, unedited non-original images in Photoshop threads, repeated filter evasion, and trolling (see below).
A note on off-topic posts: There are four Forums provided for off topic chatter and questions: Fark Forum, TotalFark Forum, Fark Personals Forum, and Fark Photoshop Forum. Questions/advice about Photoshops should be confined to the Photoshop Forum. Attention whoring should be confined to the Personals forum. Intentionally posting off-topic or trying to derail a thread ("threadjacking") is very seriously frowned upon
"All you need is trust and a little bit of pixie dust!"

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=22473
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=56558#pid535643

...so I don't loose the links to my rides again hehehe

jenz58 Postal Menace

9,121 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349380
I think having an ignore option is good...if no one can see a repeat offender who annoys them then that person will soon get bored by the late of response...

I actually think that our problem people have had it very easy in here but at least we've given them the option of tidying up their act .... but maybe at a great cost to the forum...

I think the ones who cries censorship once more, after a thread has been withdrawn, will be the one to go first in my opinion...they are only insighting others
"All you need is trust and a little bit of pixie dust!"

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=22473
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=56558#pid535643

...so I don't loose the links to my rides again hehehe

kustomkool BEING KOOL AINT CHEAP

1,611 posts · joined Nov 2002 ·

#349406
lets get back to strickly VWs and leave all other topics for other forums.

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349447
There's a way to fix it. Any controversial posts with the word "YOU" in them get removed. Just leave the ones with "I THINK" "MY OPINION IS" as soon as someone says "YOUR OPINION" it gets chopped. Probably over simplifying it but you get my drift.

A strictly VW site to me would be boring. And as for bad attitude being killed off, i think that would suck. I think that sledging threads should be killed from there as well as anywhere across the forum. Just leave it there for the more explicit topics (which arent causing any problems, there is no trouble in those).
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

72TWINCAB Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·

#349494
Why do people take everything so seriously.......

We all drive Vee Dubs and should be laid back.

If I see something I don't like on the forum I don't continue to read it and look for something that does interest me. There is plenty of good reading on the forum so embrace it.

This thread was a real eye opener as everything seemed pretty cool to me.

Come on people stop your whinging and start posting good VW stuff.

PS: Bad attitude is cool. Keep it.

Boozer Demented But Determined

1,999 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#349538
$2.63 homebrand baja wrote:
Boozer wrote:4. I think moderator do need to take more of a active stance, earlier it wasn't needed and there was peace and harmony and then the misfits like me and KK and $2.63 and the rest of the mob showed up. *SPLAT!* The trick will be to not become tyrannical and nasty with the moderator stuff.
:vader leave me out of this, B4 BA I posted BS but would routinely delete the most offensive stuff. I haven't been censored yet, and worked out, early on, the ebb and flow of the place. I have only really been overly nasty to one member because he smelt like cow poo and deserved it.
I will not be labled a misfit, nor be accused of having any form of mob mentality.
I read and appreciate a lot of the tekkie stuff,etc, just don't post crap in there as it's not the done thing.
Thanks to BA I can say with confidence in comparison to some of the frootloops in here I am quite beige :puke
Perverts :duh

Sorry $2.63, I didn't mean you were offensive or anything just that along with other's (myself included) we are not "normal" as such. No offense was intended, I was kinda tired at the time and your name was the only one I could think of at the time.:thumb


This issue is getting hard. There is no simple answer as I can see as everyone thinks something different should be done. I can't think of anything else to say, but if this place goes I don't know what I'm gonna do.
THe MC Bat Commander's motto: "Never do now, what you could do for 24 hours straight, all night, the night before."

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349545
Make another area where NO non volkswagen talk is allowed?

excuse me if its been sugested, I dont want to read the middle 4 pages.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

VWENVY More Common Than Most

379 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·

#349551
foxy_fuchsia wrote:All I can say is ***ANGER MANAGEMENT!!***

no need to yell!

foxy_fuchsia Insano Dub Head

803 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#349885
oops this is the internet and 'caps' mean yelling lol...I simply wanted to make that statement bold, I wasn't yelling!! I promise!! :kiss

vanderaj Administrator a suffusion of yellow

3,130 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#349954
Although I love a good vent, do we reckon this thread has had enough airing for now?

Andrew

BenettonVW Administrator AVD Forum Founder

3,125 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#350359
Well, let me finish this thread off then.

There has been some very valid points.

Firstly, thankyou to ALL for your input. Spook, you know my opinion of you, and it is definitely one of respect. A lot of people on this site no longer know who you are, but mate, for us old skoolers, we know what you are like, and to me thats not bad at all, but only cause of our hours of conversations making us know each other quite well. I still look forward to our first beer mate. Thanks for your input.

Secondly, it was unfortunate that this topic was side-tracked a few times, and I thank the members that tried to maintain the focus of the topic. One thing I found interesting was the minority of traditional trouble makers posting on the actual topic itself, and all the 'positive' type of people, or 'good apples' posted, urging that the forum not shut down. The 'bad apples' weren't heard of.
No meaning. Just interesting.

Lastly, the suggestions that have been made are quite good, and I notice that Andrew has already implemented some of those. Thanks Andrew, and we do appreciate your work around here. The post counts are gone, and I will be posting suggestions for mods soon, as, if we are going to need some 'firmer' policing of some things, we need more mods. There is a fair bit of responsibilty that goes with it, which some of you may not take seriously, but I need you to as if there is such things like lawsuits and so on, then it is my ass on the line again too. You'll have your chance to put your hand up..

I hope this can be a positive place. Thats why it was built. Thats why people used to come here. Thats why I come here.

Thats why I still want to come here.

THE LOWEST WITH THE MOSTEST BLING BLING WINS!!

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#350681
Best post I've read all day.

Its a sad sad day when the man responsible for creating the best online vw resource in Oz (arguably one of the best in the world) becomes so disillusioned with it that he considers leaving.

I'll fully support whatever changes you need to make to keep this place a rollin along. I'm not a heavy poster (just cracked a thousand, but it took me two and a half years) but there is so many informative posts and interesting and knowledagable people on here that its a daily routine for me to waste an hour or so every day trolling whats going on in here.

Cheers