legalize everything then you dont have to kill anyone or lock anyone away.If you want heroin go to the doctor and get it.Cheaper for the taxpayer.Next to no crime in the suburbs,and you can monitor the dope heads. (just a thought)
i agree
southern van is totally right... decriminalise everything and you wont need to worry about this sort of stuff.
after all, in the end its your choice what you put in your body.
in the beginning, the universe was created.
this made alot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
oh! i was thinking along the lines of, the govt. providing legal hard drugs/party drugs and craftily overdosing the users.
problem solved
actually, if you let drugs be legally distributed in Australia, it would be more benefitable to those who take em'. Cause then the drug trafficers don't have to worry about putting dangerous chemicals and God knows what into it to try to hide it from sniffer dogs and crap. That won't have to worry, therefore the customers who use it aren't poisoned by those chemicals.
I think i read somewhere or heard somewhere that it is rarely the drug that kills the person who takes it, rather, its the chemicals inside that the drug dealers put in that screws u up.
And its more money and jobs, lol. The farmers would be clearing their fields in way for the drug crops, and would make a fortune out of it. Only trouble is exports, cause not many countries would have it legalised (i would think).
Your right, its the persons responsibility what they take and put into their bodies. As long as the smokers aren't around for me to smell it and cop with their secondary smoke everywhere, i have no problem with it.
Alcohol is a drug, and its widely used all over australia. It can kill in harmful doses and can screw u up a bit (drunk and all). Whats the difference between that and these other smokable and injectible drugs? (Addiction i spose, but yeah)
You have to honestly say, this is quiet a good debate. Its very informative and interesting.🙂
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[/quote] I'm sorry if I sound rude, but that is a very childish and close-minded view of the situation and Bali as a country. Do some research. [/quote]
Boozer you are entitle to your opinion just as I am but am not being immature. I have no interest in going Bali and deffinately not now! My sister went over and loved it even though she had people coming up to her trying to sell her pot (and they could see cops waiting around the corner to bust them!!) Such a set up and quite a corrupt country I think. But that is no reflection on the people that live there, everyone I have talked to including my sis said what lovely people they are. So, Boozer, it's not immature of me that is just what I think, and I still don't want to go to Bali!! And just because I don't want to go there doesn't make me close minded at all. Maybe you should open your mind and realise people can have different opinions! Sorry if I sound rude at all 😉
Also, just wanted to say that I think it's great that on avd we can now have civil discussions without being horrible to each other!
I agree. Lets try to keep it up, shall we? Wonder how long this good behaviour will last, hmmm.
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0.99c for a slice of toast. What a rip off. Yeah, my toaster talks as well, we have some good conversations while its cooking. lol
That toast would be all mouldy by the time anyone buys it. I wonder what the judges would say if the persecutors did present that up as evidence. lol
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allowed to do what they like!
stick what you like into your body but then be responsable for your actions-to many claim it as an excuse and expect sympathy .
The people who abuse other people's right's to live without harrassment or death by those who expect sympathy deserve all they get
foxy_fuchsia wrote:
I'm sorry if I sound rude, but that is a very childish and close-minded view of the situation and Bali as a country. Do some research. [/quote]
Boozer you are entitle to your opinion just as I am but am not being immature. I have no interest in going Bali and deffinately not now! My sister went over and loved it even though she had people coming up to her trying to sell her pot (and they could see cops waiting around the corner to bust them!!) Such a set up and quite a corrupt country I think. But that is no reflection on the people that live there, everyone I have talked to including my sis said what lovely people they are. So, Boozer, it's not immature of me that is just what I think, and I still don't want to go to Bali!! And just because I don't want to go there doesn't make me close minded at all. Maybe you should open your mind and realise people can have different opinions! Sorry if I sound rude at all
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But foxy you are immature! only 21 yo, how can you expect to have and or make mature comments,
Bali is great! they put drug dealers in jail, wheres the problem with that?
Keeping it real !
the balinese aint the issue. its the javanese. any bali boycott will mainly hurt the balinese. the guy offering green on the streets in bali most likley aint a rounder faced balinese & nor is the cop waiting round the corner.
the prob with aussie & indo is in the minds of the hardcore javanese and the right wing aussies. ask the east timorese or the sulowaseans or the west papuans what they think.
who was responsible for creating indo by amalgamating army ants with tweedle bugs?? this was a bad move.
foxy_fuchsia wrote:
I'm sorry if I sound rude, but that is a very childish and close-minded view of the situation and Bali as a country. Do some research. [/quote]
Boozer you are entitle to your opinion just as I am but am not being immature. I have no interest in going Bali and deffinately not now! My sister went over and loved it even though she had people coming up to her trying to sell her pot (and they could see cops waiting around the corner to bust them!!) Such a set up and quite a corrupt country I think. But that is no reflection on the people that live there, everyone I have talked to including my sis said what lovely people they are. So, Boozer, it's not immature of me that is just what I think, and I still don't want to go to Bali!! And just because I don't want to go there doesn't make me close minded at all. Maybe you should open your mind and realise people can have different opinions! Sorry if I sound rude at all
😉 [/quote]
I realise you have your own opinion and that's fine with me, it's just that it came across as if you had made your mind up on the place/situation without much information. Australia is quite a corrupt country, it's just not a open and visable as others. Just like the gun control issue, if they want it they can get it. I don't think you should just write off bali as a holiday destination, it's a really awesome place- but I want to go to Singapore before Bali again.
THe MC Bat Commander's motto: "Never do now, what you could do for 24 hours straight, all night, the night before."
If she didnt do it, man that would make you want to top yourself huh? Could you imagine how that would feel! you'd be so damn pissed!
If she did do it. Well what can I say... she knew the concequences, she took that risk.
Mel
I am actually 22 silver, and I am very mature for age. I never said Bali wasn't great I am sure it is! And I have no problem with them putting drug dealers in jail, they know the laws over there (or they are just stupid if they don't). But I am saying I don't believe Shapelle Corby is guilty, that's just my opinion though. And I think every country is quite corrupt in there own way.
I might go to Bali once day, like I said my sister loved it. I really had no interest in it before and the main reason I have been thrown off going there now is because I would be freaked if someone planted drugs on me. I do however think it's immature to say let's not give the Bali people aid anymore.
drugs... my problem with legalising these substances is the increased availability...prescribed or not...
you can argue all you want about the user being responsible for their own actions, however what happens when they get behind the wheel? when the tripper ploughs into the oncoming sedan full of happy happy joy joy family singing 'wheels on the bus' with little jimmy leading the chorus? how do you justify the legality of it all then? what about if the family tarago manages to avoid the head on and a few days later at school little jimmy buys some coke off his school friend who snuck a bit from his dads stash? is it ok to have children o.ding? i could go on and on, its a myriad of facts and what ifs and my opposition could always got on about alcohol or whatever, but the fact is not everyone is responsible with drugs. legalising it will only make it more accessible...
how many people pro drugs legilisation here have experienced the bad side of drugs? who have friends and family addicted to drugs and seen them run their life into the ground? see babies being born with addictions? seen the way they live amongst filth and squalor?
maybe you wouldnt be so keen to legalise it all if you saw how it affects everyone, not just yourself.... im not saying there isnt responsible users here, im sayin look at the broader picture...
sorry for the hijack...
everything dies baby, thats a fact..
maybe everything that dies one day comes back..
put your make up on and your hair up pretty..
and meet me tonight in Atlantic city..
i reckon foxy is cool.
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Hi Guys........... just a thought but have U noticed that whenever a aussie is intercepted for a breach of the law in a foreign country they always claim innocence and that the law in that country is corrupt.............even the 9 caught in Bali with the drugs strapped to their bodies claimed they were not aware of the consequences.... and were "conned/coerced" into it by "the mastermind" even though their passports show they were not once a year tourists.
Have U also noticed that we in this country have been bitching that OUR legal system is too lenient on the law breakers yet when one of "our" is dealt with more than local leniency some people find it hard to stomach!
DOUBLECAB:duh
yes, indupitably good fellow. (in a very 1920s high pitch man English accent)
On a serious note, I agree. But we need a mix of inbetween high penalties and low penalties. They are a bit extreme over there, and we are quite lenient over here. We need a middle standard. In otherwords, Australia needs to become more strict, but not up to the level of the Indonesian government.
Really, who am i to say, among the rest of us. I don't think there are many people here in legal occupational positions that would have the honest, up-front experience and true perspective of the international justice systems without relying on the media to say there side of the story.
Who here from a legal background can comment here from there up front experiences and observations? Just be interesting to see their position in this debate.😉
[Edited on 30/5/2005 by mynameischris88]
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about legalise
ppl should be careful about what should be or what shouldnt
theoretical
you are 40ish with a partner & two kids now young teenagers
coming into the unknown exciting time of their lives with friends
sports music parties boyfriends girlfriends & their parents watching
& particaping in these years that will start to mold them into adults
& shape their lives towards hopefully a relatively good life.
picture yourself as the father or mother its nice isnt it warm your offsprings
fuck your 16 year old daughter is a herion addict!
its not theoretical its every day
i have kids you have kids or one day you will
my kids are safe & well i believe they will grow up happy & healthy
ive seen addiction so have some of you drugs alcohol what ever (think)
GOOD, i say..... if only Australian laws were as tough! there would be alot less bottom dwelling scum sucker drugo`s hanging about, stealing from us, our homes, our vw`s i think we should all be disgusted that a herion importer in our country only gets 5 years. a child molesterer gets a suspended sentence and a murderer only gets a few years!
Death to all Drug trafickers,rapists murderers and kiddy fiddlers i say.
We need more hard justice!
Thanks Chris! 😉
I don't think it's right to give the death penalty, only because it means they are getting off too easy!
The problem is this....
If we are wronged by someone else, we want hard justice for the criminal.
However, if we wrong someone ourselves, we expect that the courts should be merciful and let us off.
You can't have it both ways. The Indos are keen to prove this. They are sending a message, 'If you are caught bringing drugs into our country you will be punished, and punished harshly'.
Now, how would you feel if you found out that some indonesian woman brought 4kgs of Heroin into OZ to get 16 yo girls addicted to the point that they sell their bodies to get a hit? Coz that's what happens. You'd be mighty peeved I'm guessing. The woman's right to a fair trial would be dubious based on your thoughts.
You're gonna say, "Heroin is different to Grass". Well the indos say, 'drugs are drugs, screw with us and we'll give you what you deserve'. You have to hand it to them, they're good to their word. And at one level I agree with them, I think Australia doesn't take drugs seriously enough. I have a daughter and I don't want her to ever have to deal with filfthy pushers or desperate junkies.
As to whether Schapell is innocent, we will never really know.....
[Edited on 31/5/2005 by pete wood]
