Another take on Shapelle Corby

Stanley · 2005-06-08T08:11:12+00:00

Not my words but those of a journo. Make your own judgement The Corby Case A differing point of view ... Corby and the mob Andrew Bolt (Opinion, Herald Sun) 01jun05 AND now to the verdict on the Schapelle Corby case. I find the defendant guilty of xenophobia, spite, boorishness and a self-righteous tribal hysteria. No, I don't mean Corby. I'm referring to the weeping and bellowing mob that is demanding we do all it takes -- even starve the poorest Indonesians - to free this convicted drug trafficker. "Our" Schapelle. What a shock to see the beast of mob rule roar like this, and in support of a woman who seems on the evidence more likely to be guilty than she's painted. Yes, Corby may be as innocent as she says. But picture how she must look, and how we all now look, to an Indonesian, whether a judge or a citizen. Here is a surfer girl who worked as a bar hostess in Tokyo's nightclub area, flying into Bali for reportedly the fifth time in six years. (Corby, a student beautician who'd scraped up cash from working at a fish-and-chip shop, told 60 Minutes she'd been to Bali "five or six times since I was 16".) Customs officials screen her bags and detect something suspicious. They watch her, and later tell a court she seems nervous. Her bodyboard bag is more than twice its usual weight, bulging with an extra something the size of a stuffed pillow. Actually, she says later, she'd only dragged her bag, and had so much other luggage she couldn't tell its weight was unusual, or that there was anything inside but a bodyboard and flippers. Yes, well. Two police and two customs officials agree on what happened next. They say Corby's brother James carried the bag for her to the customs area, where officer I Gusti Nyoman Winata asked her to open it. Corby zipped open the front pocket. Now the main zip, demanded Winata. "The suspect (seemed) to panic," he later testified. "When I opened the bag a little bit, she stopped me and said, 'No!' "I asked why. She answered, 'I have some . . .' She looked confused." ABC's Lateline showed Winata re-enacting Corby's lunge to stop him opening her bag. He seemed as honest as Corby does, and said he had no doubt of her guilt. Winata looked inside and found 4.1kg of top-quality marijuana, stowed in two airlock plastic bags, one tucked inside the other. What is it, he asked? "It's marijuana," the officials heard Corby reply. Keep thinking how this all must look to an Indonesian. Who would you believe? Think how it seems when the marijuana turns out to be hydroponically grown, and worth anywhere up to $80,000 in Bali, where it is prized by expatriates who are sick of the weak local weed and feel safer buying from a tourist. Big profits. Keep picturing. The Indonesians learn that Corby, although having no criminal record, comes from a wild and woolly family. One of her brothers is in jail for burglary and stealing, her mother is on to her fourth partner after having six children by three men. Her father had a minor conviction some 30 years ago for possessing marijuana. Sure, none of that makes her guilty, but how would all this make Corby seem to an Indonesian? Here's a tip: Not like she came from the responsible land of the straight-and-narrow. It gets worse. Corby's defence team is soon headed by a salesman who looks like a spiv and is a former bankrupt who still owes creditors plenty. Her main defence witness becomes an alleged rapist flown in from a Melbourne jail to tell how he heard some crook who'd heard some other crook say Corby was unwittingly carrying drugs for crooks operating at the Brisbane and Sydney airport terminals. With Australians like this behind Corby, it's a wonder the whole country wasn't tossed into the cell with her. The judges are then asked to believe these unknown smugglers took the marijuana into a high-security area at Brisbane in easy-to-see-through plastic and popped it into a random bag to be flown to another high-security area in Sydney. Why the smugglers would do that, rather than simply drive the drugs down to Sydney by car, all safe, no one can say. That they then let their valuable drugs fly off to Bali is another mystery. No wonder our own Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty dismissed Corby's theory as "flimsy". Corby's judges must have thought her team took them for idiots. Idiots? They soon learned plenty of Australians took them for far worse. And now it was not Corby on trial, and losing, but Australia. In one heady spasm, hundreds of thousands of Australians became certain that Corby the beautiful battler was in fact innocent. Suddenly she was the star of a reality-TV Perils of Pauline -- complete with cartoon-like big breasts, every-woman prettiness and more tears than a soapie. It helped the plot that she was repeatedly filmed hands bound and besieged, pale in a jabbering, jostling crowd of brown foreigners. Damn those natives. "The judges don't even speak English, mate, they're straight out of the trees, if you excuse my…

koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 10 Jun 2005, 6:35 pm

#370361

I dont get it sprint :duh

whats between your lines?

kkk

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Stanley I guess the reward is in the doing of it

4,523 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 10 Jun 2005, 7:25 pm

#370373

mmm...I thought DSK was a splitty forum

unless i can join with my beetle or notch....:thumb

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SPRINTSTAR Insano Dub Head

804 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 10 Jun 2005, 8:50 pm

#370389

If you find one, please let me know Brad! Sorry KKK, let's just end this nonsensical topic.

byronbus dsk

4,204 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 10 Jun 2005, 9:10 pm

#370403

dsk forum is open to all

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 10 Jun 2005, 9:32 pm

#370413

koolkarmakombi wrote:as if andrew bolt is a journalist.....

Hey Kid..........lets have your definition of a journalist..!

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Jun 2005, 10:34 am

#370546

This IS general chit chat you know... talk about anything... if you want to talk about your car, a show, tech, then you're in the wrong section.

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65busser Moderator Custom Title Time!

1,795 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 11 Jun 2005, 11:25 am

#370554

"General chat, talk about anything and everything, great section to just hang out and talk crap... VW crap of course!"

Yeah, I know, but .............................

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kombi69 Seriously Crusin Dubber

193 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 11 Jun 2005, 7:58 pm

#370693

Has she done an FHM or Ralph shoot yet?

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#370896

peace out man!

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 12 Jun 2005, 6:13 pm

#370962

65busser wrote:"General chat, talk about anything and everything, great section to just hang out and talk crap... VW crap of course!"

Yeah, I know, but .............................

Heard a rumour that Shapelle once had a ride in the back of a baywindow :kiss but her defence team dose'nt want this to get around because they think it might hurt her case for appeal......so does this mean we are taking VW crap??:duh

kustomkool BEING KOOL AINT CHEAP

1,611 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 12 Jun 2005, 8:14 pm

#371010

That article was written by Andrew Bolt a journo with the Hearald Sun.He also believes that we should drop bombs on Iraq.Wether she is guilty or not noone should be imprisoned for marijuana possesion for 20 years.

DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 12 Jun 2005, 9:13 pm

#371027

kustomkool wrote:That article was written by Andrew Bolt a journo with the
Hearald Sun.

So what does this prove......lead us to conclude???:duh

He also believes that we should drop bombs on Iraq.

He is entitled to his beleifs/view point the same as U are but what has that got to do with the Shapelle Corby issue??:duh

Wether she is guilty or not noone should be imprisoned for marijuana possesion for 20 years.

Your opinion.......which U are entitled to have, but NOT entitled to expect others or other countries or other cultures to accept or agree with!!!:duh

When in Rome......U have to do it how the Romans do it or face the consequences...:o

Spook Driving the 64 wheeler

1,168 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Jun 2005, 8:44 am

#371129

Let me put 3 things forward here.

1)She was tried with due process of law & found guilty.

2) Anyone who thinks the result would have been different (other than the length of the sentence) had this happened in Australia is having themselves on.
If someone got pulled up at Sydney or Brisbane airport today with 4kg of drugs in their baggage, they'd be ratshit too.
No one honestly believes if you told the court here that some one must have tampered with your gear, the judge would send you home & apologise for the inconvenience.
You'd have to be able to prove it. The authorities have got you red handed, they don't need to prove a thing.

And lastly, from personal experience, 90% of the NSW prison population was set up. You ask them, they'll tell you.

Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.

kustomkool BEING KOOL AINT CHEAP

1,611 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 13 Jun 2005, 10:48 am

#371154

Doublecab what he has to do with the corby thing is in plain site.Open your eyes he is a journo who thrives on hysteria.Maybe you should look at things with your heart rather than through hate and anger.And spook if you got busted in australia with 4 kg of pure heroin [not even marijuana]with a good lawyer you could easily walk.Im not saying she is innocent i also feel she is guilty .But twenty years for drug trafficing marijuana is primative and unjust.Especially when convicted terrorists in indonessia are treated like martyrs and sentenced for maximum of 3 years after killing hundreds off people.I also aree with sprinstar.read betweeen the lines.Also ask yourself how many newpapers the murdochs and the packers sell from a storie like this.

65busser Moderator Custom Title Time!

1,795 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 13 Jun 2005, 6:47 pm

#371375

No Leo...

Show us ya double cab then you'll be on track.

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 13 Jun 2005, 8:21 pm

#371451

kustomkool wrote:Doublecab what he has to do with the corby thing is in plain site.

So U beleive !! and U are entitled to that belief ... but that dosen't make it a fact !:duh

Open your eyes he is a journo who thrives on hysteria.

Again your belief....how about some facts to back up your statements........ I have only read a few of Andrew Bolt's articles and those I have found objective and lacking in hysteria..........in fact he has no probs airing view points that run contrary to the mainstream indoctrinated view point...and he provides info one can go to.:duh

Maybe you should look at things with your heart rather than through hate and anger.

Kindly refer to what I have written and U will see that at no point have I stated anybody was guilty ...or innocent for that matter.....all I have done was question the opinions and info that U and others have put infront of all of us.:duh

And don't tell me anybodies opinion is beyond being questioned!!!:o

And spook if you got busted in australia with 4 kg of pure heroin [not even marijuana]with a good lawyer you could easily walk.

If that be the case.....what does that say for OUR legal system and its capacity to dish out JUSTICE and on what higher moral ground has anybody in Australia got the right to tell the Indonesians their system is corrupt?:duh

Im not saying she is innocent i also feel she is guilty .But twenty years for drug trafficing marijuana is primative and unjust.

Especially when convicted terrorists in indonessia are treated like martyrs and sentenced for maximum of 3 years after killing hundreds off people.

The FACT is that the 3 CONVICTED terrorists are on death row.........Bakir has/was not convicted of terrorism if that is who U are refering to!

I also aree with sprinstar.read betweeen the lines.Also ask yourself how many newpapers the murdochs and the packers sell from a storie like this.

I have no problem with newspapers selling news papers....thats what they are there for....I also have no problem with the Murdochs or Packers....as I see it they provide more jobs and food on peoples tables than U or I could in 5 million lifetimes....... what issues do U have with the newspapers and Packers and Murdochs??:duh

DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 13 Jun 2005, 8:34 pm

#371472

65busser wrote:No Leo...

No what??

Show us ya double cab then you'll be on track.

Doublecab was sold this saturday....now looking for van 1997 onwards.... still have pics of dcab I can send if U want, but I am unfamiliar with procedure to post pics.... please advise if U want pics and procedure to post.

BTW: It was the one listed on Ebay.

As I am now only cruising in my Mk2 GTI does that mean I have to change my handle ???:duh

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 13 Jun 2005, 10:41 pm

#371583

DOUBLECAB wrote:As I am now only cruising in my Mk2 GTI does that mean I have to change my handle ???:duh

Absolutely... you fraud. :P

Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf

andytlr Seriously Crusin Dubber

109 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 10:42 am

#371687

I couldn't be bothered reading everyone's comments. But what I find so stupid about this is that it is a total trial by media. Some of the stuff in this article could be bullshit but you would never know because its just taking one reporters word over another. I saw a thing on telly talking about all the crap that had come out in the media. Like how she had only been to bali twice in 5 years not 6 times and her sister lives in QLD not in Bali.

Whether she is guilty or not is hard to tell, everyone has their own opinion. But if the indonesian police did a little bit better job in the first place, by fingerprinting the bag etc it may have been a little more clear cut.

In regards to her opening the bag and looking nervous. Wouldn't you if you were asked to open your bag then saw a massive bag of weed in there... Who doesn't know what it looks like, of course you would know what it was straight away.

The other thing that shits me is judging her on her family. Oh my god, her mum has been married 3 or 4 times, shit she must be guilty.

The argument of her taking 'quality stuff' to Bali to sell it to tourists is a little flawed. It would still be far less risk to buy it there and then sell it off to tourists. Who cares if you are giving them good shit or not. That would be higher profit because you can buy it for less in indonesia than you can in Australia. Why would anyone buy that much weed in Australia if you could get it for less in Indonesia...

No one can be certain whether she is guilty or not, all we can do I guess is wait and see what happens with appeals. But what shits me is the trial by media, especially from tabloid newspapers like the herald sun that only seem to put forward one point of view without even contemplating the other.

Over and out

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KDFking Wolfsburg Wizard

453 posts · joined Feb 2003 · 14 Jun 2005, 2:16 pm

#371779

just a few quick points...
1.she had possesion and secondly she said that it was "marijuana" which means guilty in any court in aus(possesion +knowledge)...
2.the weed over there is ditch weed..(absolute crap)ive been there a few times.....(never been stupid enough to buy)
3.with thousands of surfers and tourists flying in there every few days how could there not be a market for "high grade" weed?????:duh

in my opinion it was a harsh sentence for weed but as mentioned before if you go to a country you have to adhear to thier laws........:kiss

andytlr Seriously Crusin Dubber

109 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 3:27 pm

#371818

I don't disagree with adhearing to their laws... Knowing that it was weed means nothing. Everyone knows what it looks like, if you opened your bag and saw a whole lot of green shit in air tight bags what would you instantly think it was.

I don't know if she is guilty or not, it is just the way it has been a media trial that gave me the shits.

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 8:19 pm

#371964

andytlr wrote:I don't disagree with adhearing to their laws... Knowing that it was weed means nothing. Everyone knows what it looks like, if you opened your bag and saw a whole lot of green shit in air tight bags what would you instantly think it was.

I don't know if she is guilty or not,

Isn't that the bottom line for all of us??:duh

it is just the way it has been a media trial that gave me the shits.

What isn't a media trial these days.....from Kylie's tits taking over a hospital ward toooooo...........whether Graham Kennedy died of aids or whether vw's are better than jap crap..................but at the end of the day if it wasn't for the media..................what news would there be ???:thumb

But yes there are times when journos seem to beleive they own all the high moral ground and that they are the "keepers of the faith".........but again isn't that allowable in our "beloved" democracy ??:o

PS: notice I meantioned VW in my rantings, which means I am allowed to continue to waffle on....quick another soap box:jesus

:vader

andytlr Seriously Crusin Dubber

109 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 8:59 pm

#371996

I agree, but Kylie's tits and Graham Kennedy aren't before a court.

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 9:32 pm

#372013

andytlr wrote:I agree, but Kylie's tits and Graham Kennedy aren't before a court.

Not this week, but who knows what next week will bring upon us mere mortals........especially if there is a buck to be made !:o

PS: would anybody like to discuss Kylie's tits.....but only in relation to having them painted on your VW....then it becomes VW crap and we can discuss it on this forum.:kiss

:party

KDFking Wolfsburg Wizard

453 posts · joined Feb 2003 · 14 Jun 2005, 10:07 pm

#372032

Andytrl,i dont think that you know to much about law mate.....but if you get busted with weed and you say that you found it and think its something like parsley then they have to let you off because in the eyes of the law you have to know that something is illegal to be charged for it..ie.possesion is not sufficient(possesion +knowledge is...) i know a few people that got off just like that.....thats why cops will always ask you "whats this" when they find something.......as they have to hear it from your mouth....GET IT???????????????

andytlr Seriously Crusin Dubber

109 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jun 2005, 10:33 pm

#372057

Yeah, I understand that. Just that the reports are usually so emotion based often disregarding facts. I didn't mean this to get into a full on debate, I just put forward an opinion then got a whole lot of questions to answer.

But yes I understand posession and knowledge. But it is a bit like opening a bag with a dog bowl in it and you knowing it is a dog bowl. Just because you knew it was a dog bowl doesn't mean you put it in there. Logicially, not necessiarly by law.

DOUBLECAB: What about Kylies but... Could look good airbrushed onto the back of a bug. The fenders could help for a starting shape. Actually that could work for her tits too.

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DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 15 Jun 2005, 7:06 pm

#372325

andytlr wrote:Yeah, I understand that. Just that the reports are usually so emotion based often disregarding facts. I didn't mean this to get into a full on debate, I just put forward an opinion then got a whole lot of questions to answer.

But yes I understand posession and knowledge. But it is a bit like opening a bag with a dog bowl in it and you knowing it is a dog bowl. Just because you knew it was a dog bowl doesn't mean you put it in there. Logicially, not necessiarly by law.

DOUBLECAB: What about Kylies but... Could look good airbrushed onto the back of a bug.

Yep ......why not, if Sam Newman can have Pamela Anderson on the front of his townhouse........actually Kylie's butt would look good on your bonnet with the chrome strip down the middle forming a thong.....and then you could say :kiss Kylie's butt.

The fenders could help for a starting shape. Actually that could work for her tits too.

Why don't you just post the artwork for all our discerning intellectual intercourse....:duh

Isn't it interesting where a discussion on VW crap will go:party

DOUBLECAB Unwanted member

915 posts · joined May 2005 · 15 Jun 2005, 7:12 pm

#372331

amazer wrote:
DOUBLECAB wrote:As I am now only cruising in my Mk2 GTI does that mean I have to change my handle ???:duh
Absolutely... you fraud. :P

Sorry I was so slow in getting back to U but I felt so ashamed that I went and got counselling and my counsellor told me that as U are the person who was the cause of it all, U will be hearing from my lawyers:duh

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3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Jun 2005, 10:09 am

#372568

Ha! Sue if you like, I have no assetts, only debts.

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7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 16 Jun 2005, 10:56 am

#372583

just a little something to add to the mix, good or bad taste that came to me via sms from a sick friend..

What do you get if you add Schapelle Corby, a boogie board and the Bali nine?

Hang Ten!

sorry just had to 🙂

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