mid engine V8 Beetle

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Jul 2005, 1:07 am

#382394

Hi

Saw this car on German Look. com and had to share it.

http://www.germanlook.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=6197
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Steve

subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber

292 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 10 Jul 2005, 6:16 am

#382403

Thanks for sharing this one, Steve.
That is awesome stuff!!

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 · 10 Jul 2005, 10:28 am

#382430

Engineering at its best!!almost as good as my chassis:thumb.....Well done Steve keep and eye on this one.......Steve do you remember a bloke name Billy, 1996 Vw shootout that was doing a front mount V8 dub tube chassis.He had a Rotary bug ther the same day.Have you heard or seen the car finish?JVLRacing

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Jul 2005, 1:27 pm

#382478

Hi John

Cant remember those cars, I work shifty work and the Shootout is often on when Im working. The V8 chassis is designed by Rorty designs in Melbourne http://www.rorty-design.com/index.html

Steve

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 · 10 Jul 2005, 4:10 pm

#382530

1303Steve wrote:Hi John

Cant remember those cars, I work shifty work and the Shootout is often on when Im working. The V8 chassis is designed by Rorty designs in Melbourne http://www.rorty-design.com/index.html

Steve

Thanks Steve.JVLRacing

subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber

292 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 10 Jul 2005, 4:20 pm

#382544

jvl054 wrote:Engineering at its best!!almost as good as my chassis:thumb.....Well done Steve keep and eye on this one.......Steve do you remember a bloke name Billy, 1996 Vw shootout that was doing a front mount V8 dub tube chassis.He had a Rotary bug ther the same day.Have you heard or seen the car finish?JVLRacing

Here is a 1950 Split front mount V8

http://bb.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions

You find it under conversion pictures.

nn[ Edited on 10-7-2005 by subaruboxer ]

71superbug The Itch Itcher

1,184 posts · joined May 2004 · 10 Jul 2005, 6:25 pm

#382625

how would something go cost wise and licensing wise with a mid mount v8 bug?

Anthony

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 10 Jul 2005, 9:42 pm

#382767

Umm, if you modded that chassis design a little you could probably get it regoed in NSW providing the engine wasn't too big.

BTW, can't wait until Jak Jones sees this thread. 😀

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Jul 2005, 9:52 pm

#382773

Hi

I think once the chassis is changed to this extent it would be an individually constructed vehicle. That’s a whole new can of worms that I know nothing about. Jack Jones is probably busy tightening his tent ropes at the moment, just wait until the wind drops a bit.🤘

Steve

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 10 Jul 2005, 9:56 pm

#382775

As long as you kept the centre tunnel, it would be like a full rear end on a drag car. My engineer said it was important that the pan resemble the original one recognizably if you wanted to register things as rebodied beetles. I'm guessing it'd be the same for this. Then again with all the new changes you might be right.

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

71superbug The Itch Itcher

1,184 posts · joined May 2004 · 11 Jul 2005, 5:17 am

#382840

yaeah was thinking of purchasing plans and doing such a thing.

would come under same category as old rods i imagine??

Anthony

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 11 Jul 2005, 2:09 pm

#383010

HRmatt would know about that. But apparently, there are some peculiar laws relating to the age of the original car that make it difficult for dubs to be registered as rods. That, and I suspect some rodders are a bit non-VW.

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 11 Jul 2005, 2:48 pm

#383034

It would be an ICV even if on SR plates.

Most rodders aren't non-vw, they tend to be non-vw people who tell them why they should accept them.

Under the rules if the car can gain enough points to be an ASRF classified car (Mild Custom or Wild Custom) you should be able to get SR rego. If the TAC rep will accept it and in the end it's down to them and do they want to piss off clubs?

ASRF classes:
Hot-rod - Pre '48.
Classic Custom - American Origin, pre '71, separate removable chassis and body fastened by standard automotive fasteners.
Mild Custom - Pre '71 with (I think 200 points)
Wild Custom - Pre '71 with (I think minimum 400 points)

The points system is antiquated and gives more points to frenching of headlights then to relocation/redesign of driveline... Sorta done to keep it to cars for which it was developed - ie American.

The change in engine position, the redesign of the chassis and such would almost certainly make it an ICV. High speed brake and cornering tests. Side intrusion bars, current emmissions rules crumple zones.

If you have the $, time and good engineering then why not?nn[ Edited on 11-7-2005 by HotRodMatt ]

Baldy67 Wolfsburg Wizard

429 posts · joined Mar 2004 · 11 Jul 2005, 3:26 pm

#383045

that is just insane...............but i love it:jesus

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 11 Jul 2005, 5:33 pm

#383110

HotRodMatt wrote:Most rodders aren't non-vw, they tend to be non-vw people who tell them why they should accept them.

Makes sense, I don't like V8 meatheads who try to tell me why I should love V8s so much.

Have you got a link to the point system thingo?
Who was it set-up by? National or state rego people?

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 11 Jul 2005, 5:50 pm

#383125

pete wood wrote:Have you got a link to the point system thingo?
Who was it set-up by? National or state rego people?

Here's the thing. You can't get the rule book unless you are an ASRF member.

I have a friend that gives me the bits I need from time to time.

As it is ASRF affiliated clubs (or being a lone wolf ASRF member) that control the SR scheme it's a case of you have to get acceptance first before you even consider SR rego.

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 11 Jul 2005, 9:24 pm

#383286

without being nasty, that's a bit exclusive isn't it. lets say someone builds awesome cars but has the personality of limp carboard and the social skills of a nailgun, they'd really be behind the eightball.

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 11 Jul 2005, 9:28 pm

#383291

Not the person... the car Pete

junkyardoval Casual Dubber

44 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 14 Jul 2005, 12:13 pm

#384481

I have a set of plans for that chassis. My plan is to mount my 2.0 Suby twin turbo in it with the 56 Oval body. Have a friend who is helping me with the Oval who is willing to help build the chassis. He is a retired machinist and likes to try unusal builds. He just finished a 1970 VW fastback with a 2.2 Suby and a bus trans. He also has a Vanagon with a 2.2 Suby in it. We welded the roof back on the Oval last Saturday and will work on the wiring harness next. We hope to have the Suby engine mid mount and still have enough room for a rear seat. Still lots of measureing to do.

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 14 Jul 2005, 4:31 pm

#384578

HotRodMatt wrote:Not the person... the car Pete

oh... :blush

"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Jul 2005, 5:18 pm

#384608

junkyardoval wrote:I have a set of plans for that chassis. My plan is to mount my 2.0 Suby twin turbo in it with the 56 Oval body. Have a friend who is helping me with the Oval who is willing to help build the chassis. He is a retired machinist and likes to try unusal builds. He just finished a 1970 VW fastback with a 2.2 Suby and a bus trans. He also has a Vanagon with a 2.2 Suby in it. We welded the roof back on the Oval last Saturday and will work on the wiring harness next. We hope to have the Suby engine mid mount and still have enough room for a rear seat. Still lots of measureing to do.

This sounds good!Any details on the chassis?JVLRacing:thumb

junkyardoval Casual Dubber

44 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 14 Jul 2005, 9:22 pm

#384777

I haven't started work on it yet. I would like to get the current version running before starting on the chassis.

Ernie

jvl054 Wolfsburg Wizard

403 posts · joined May 2005 · 15 Jul 2005, 8:21 am

#384945

junkyardoval wrote:I haven't started work on it yet. I would like to get the current version running before starting on the chassis.

Ernie

Hi Ernie, are you going to design a full all half chassis and are you using CAD (computer)for designing?..... I found it was alot easier and learnt more that way with my Engineer.Are you in Australia or overseas?JVLRacing

junkyardoval Casual Dubber

44 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 15 Jul 2005, 10:22 pm

#385327

I am in the United States. I have the blueprints from Rorty. I think it is a nice chassis design. I am sure I would have to do some redesign on the rear for the Suby engine. I don't have a cad program, but the guy who is going to help me is pretty good at design work. He has built some pretty wild cars in the past. He has a 1952 Jeep pickup with a Chevy V6 and auto trans. It has a Mustang front suspension and airbags on the rear. The cab has been extended 14". He has built two Vanagons with Suby 2.2 engines. A nice friend to have. He laughs at some of my ideas.

71superbug The Itch Itcher

1,184 posts · joined May 2004 · 16 Jul 2005, 3:51 pm

#385534

tripped out...why are u going the mid mounted subie twin instead of something that can pack a couple extra ponies..like a 1uzfe lexus motor..

Anthony

junkyardoval Casual Dubber

44 posts · joined Oct 2003 · 16 Jul 2005, 9:26 pm

#385769

I have the Suby already in the Oval. Just want a better chassis. This engine is rated at 300 HP. I think that will be enough for me.

71superbug The Itch Itcher

1,184 posts · joined May 2004 · 17 Jul 2005, 9:34 am

#385910

i am thinking about looking at something like this for a second project..except with the lexus 1uzfe 4l lexus v8..maybe even forced induction..but at the moment the bug will stay rear mounted engine and still be quick enough for me 🙂

Anthony

tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!

1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 17 Jul 2005, 7:14 pm

#386132

Hmmm reminds me of a certain T3 thing in baby shit mustard brown colour that used to race at Oran Park mebbe 25 years ago.
Never looked inside but it was powered with (from memory) a 5 Lt Holden V8 boat anchor thing. I cannot remember whether it was mid-mounted tho.

I do remember it went like stink......in a straight line!
Corners were a little different LOL.
L8tr
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....