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crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#418947
oh great, now I've got to read a gazillion threads about turbo-geek speak...what the? sound impressive, like the idea....even Mr Wood had the idea at some point...

so what are the cost benefits of the Air Cooled turbo - is that gonna cost more to build? Guess I'm basing this on the stock prices from Custom Off Road...

I've got a good 1600 - how good can that motor get and by whom? - I am not 'into' Subaru as the be all and end all, it just seems like no-ones around saying 'I wish I didn't EJ20T or EJ22 my VW'....
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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#418949
Bug_racer wrote:I'm with Steve on this , I'd go for a watercooled 2.1 . I dont like the subaru motor . I worked at a subaru / mazda / VW dealership for 6 months . Subaru and mazda engines are crap . The biggest problem with Subarus is the bottom end . Its piss weak and it doesnt take much to spin a bearing . Thats probably the only issue with these motors , If you can redesign that then your fine . And its not age , had a car with just over 2200km on it with a spun big end . And its true about the Japs not using the Subarus . If you ever watch drift videos try and count the subies out there . The only problem I see with putting in a watercooled car is the extra weight and the extra load on the box and chassis .
The problem with working in any dealer ship is you always see the ones that go wrong... and generally in they colour your view of everything else. I had a mate who used to sell Porsches. Now as far as expensive sports cars go, Porsches have a reputation for reliability, but would he ever buy one? No fear, coz he's seen all the lemons. Does that mean every Porsche is a Lemon? No way!

BTW, the VW veteran who has built VW motors for both myself and my brother said the only thing stopping him putting a Subie in his car was that it wasn't good advertising for a VW specialist. Oh... he hates waterboxers. Says the headstuds rust and snap. Hates working on them, doesn't think they're much chop at all.

Jak, can you find a new song? Even AC/DC got tired of playing the one album over and over. Yawn....:o

[Secretly Jakjones and Mudbasher are wishing they could put subies in, but they don't want to have to eat their words...:P stir stir]
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winerot Custom Title Time!

1,340 posts · joined Aug 2004 ·

#419010
57kombi wrote:Just thinking out loud for my next project.
To make a split really go and also reliable as a daily driver I was thinking of fitting a suburu motor, what is everyones opinion.

I will explain myself.
Suburu:
Cheap power.
more powerful than a stock beetle engine.
More reliable than a worked beetle engine
More economical.
Cheaper for parts as you dont have to service as often.

Beetle:

Most blocks are over 30 years old
Too expensive to get a new block and then build a new engine
To get any power out of them you have to modify them and it would cost too much and you risk the reliability
Also if you modify them you increase the fuel costs.

What do you think.

Cheers
Dave


jeez 5 months now a lot of for & against alternative motors
predominately subaru, on the other hand vw motors seem
to be getting a white wash :o must be something wrong with my motor its done me well & going by paperwork the
previous owners as well with one recorded recondition before i aquired the bus.



original owner bought from factory shipped to england for devon camper conversion in 74 then 1 year travelling through europe, asia & africa shipped to brisbane then north coast where it has been for 30 years, the log book is still in good condition with exotic vw service centres stamped in it as well as all receipts overflowing in a 4" thick hardbox folder including all shipping details from 1 continent to another to a third(island) oh yeh even yesterdays petrol receipt:thumb.
plenty of stories over 30 years but jumping to last week on tuesday i drove to sydney & around till thursday i drove back to mullaway then sunday i went to tamworth & back home sunday evening with shorty i picked up.
whooo i could do a whole page here slow down anyway the original motor is over 30 has had a strong life & even more so now as i would clock 4 times more km's a year than the average, im not a slow person when driving
(deep down im a webber even thoe ive got kadrons:P)
my driveway does not have a drop of oil on it for at least a year, oil droplets happen from time to time.
parts have been readily available since my van was built as is parts for your vw when you look at it all parts for all vw's are available can you name another motor company on that list if you can is it every car they made.
i think not.

log book


motor


removed & two pack engine well


full recondition twin plug most of you have seen in ride section back in total $5700 & being worked hard:thumb
vw built a motor to last as long or even longer than the body & we all know the bodies can handle it.

1 for vw motors :bounce:bounce

[ Edited on 18-10-2005 by winerot ]
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pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#419235
I've just spent a while re-reading this whole thread.

As far as I can see it boils down to two things.

1. Keep a type 1 VW motor in the splitty coz that's what they came with...

Vs

2. Put a Subaru/type 4 motor in the splitty coz they are cheaper/better/newer...

I don't think anyone has really won. Lots of people have swore by VW motors (be it type 1 or 4) and lots of others have sworn by Subarus. I think you know where I stand. But I think those who questioned a loss in value (post conversion) on resale might have a point.

Other than that, I think it might be fair to say that installing a Type 4 in a splitty probably takes a similar amount of work to a Subaru by the time you convert it to upright, Properly support it, put on the twin carbs and tune it. Otherwise you need to cut into precious metal and none of us want that.

So in the wash up I'd say, either stick with a type 1 motor or be prepared for a not insignificant conversion be it to subaru or type 4.

[I'm now preparing myself to be shouted down by all the Type 4 lovers...🙄]
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koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#419256
I own two subaru cars, and the cars are really good with the scooby engine left in them!
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MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard

591 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#419298
I love type 4s am not the greatest fan of type 1s but hate subies but that anit my car so do what you wish but remmber this a subie lover will always go on about how good they are, and the same with type 4 lovers and type 1 lovers where all the same so find out what works and go with it best of luck to you
Tim
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Craig Paton Wolfsburg Wizard

620 posts · joined Apr 2004 ·

#419325
Each different engine combo has both positive and negative aspects to them!

It basically boils down to what YOU want!

However I would like to here from some of the guys out there that have actual aircooled turbo experience! Maybe if Boostn, Wayne Penrose or alike, would like to chime in with their experience to give some valuable imput into the reasonably inexpensive turbo 1600 theory!

Cheers
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crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#419347
the gunnas verses the dunnas ... V6 anyone?
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