porsche fan conversion kit! Help!

62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:04 pm

#510919

definitely cannot use the original oil cooler, you will need an external oil cooler for sharp type 1 conversion.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:26 pm

#510934

Craig Torrens wrote:
VWCOOL wrote:Um, doesn't look real obvious to me... I'd prefer to keep the cooler mounted to the block like stock - no oil lines - with a 911 style fan. The Penrose/Sharp pic doesn't seem to show that
Look up sharpbuilt website............its obvious there.

yep

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edit NOW I CAN!
al explained with this pic:
http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au/new_page_2.htm

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:30 pm

#510936

62ragtop wrote:definitely cannot use the original oil cooler, you will need an external oil cooler for sharp type 1 conversion.

That's about three people that have said that.. wrong!!!

As the pic above shows, Sharp's 911-to-T4 conversion keeps the stock cooler in the stock location!

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:38 pm

#510948

We all said the Porsche Shroud TI kit does not use the OEM oilcooler location.... And the Porsche Shroud TIV kit does allow the use of the OEM oilcooler location.... There is major differences between the kits...... The DTM kit is a different kettle'o'fish.... And I think the DTM is only available for the TIV engines....

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:50 pm

#510959

Yes.... The TI Porsche shroud kit as sold by Sharp Built doesn't allow for the use of the OEM oilcooler to be fitted in the OEM location (the TIV kit does)..... But I think a TIII style oilcooler could be made to work with some creative shroud mods.... Getting sufficient airflow could be a problem though.....

Remember... We are talking about the engines here.... Not the car it is to be fitted to.... It is common knowledge that these kits are designed to be fitted to a stock bug engine bay.... whether you choose to fit it to a bug, bus or buggy is irrelevant.....

This is the sharp built kit.... no oilcooler adapter here.....

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malcolm Insano Dub Head

812 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:50 pm

#510961

its a good idea but you don,t want to preheat the air to the cylinders

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 13 Jul 2006, 11:55 pm

#510965

But VWCOOL was asking about the Sharp Built kits....

And so was the OG author....

62ragtop wrote:Hi guys!
I want to buy a porsche fan conversion kit for my type 1 motor. Anyone has one for sale? Any recomendation? Apparently all the ones in the market are different like from FAT, Bernie Bergman, CSP and so on......

Anyone have any experience with Sharpbuilt kit for type 1?

Help please.

Cheers!

John

(Australia WON!!!! 3-1)

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 14 Jul 2006, 12:06 am

#510982

The VVWS idea looks interesting, but I don't know how effective it would be..... Dunno anyone who has used that method..... All the kats that have used a Porsche style shroud that I know, have used an external cooler......

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62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 14 Jul 2006, 1:29 am

#511054

Yes, i was asking about TYPE 1 engine conversion kit and as far as i know, it has to use external oil cooler. But i might be wrong as different kits has different design, but for sure sharpbuilt ones do not allow original oil cooler.

Damn Humpty, you reminded me about Australia game......

malcolm Insano Dub Head

812 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 14 Jul 2006, 1:31 am

#511056

john got a fan and housing yet

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 14 Jul 2006, 1:41 am

#511061

62ragtop wrote:Damn Humpty, you reminded me about Australia game......

Well... I do try to help where I can!

:kiss

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malcolm Insano Dub Head

812 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 14 Jul 2006, 1:58 am

#511066

if your going to the trouble of using a porsche fan use a external oil cooler and don,t pre heat cylinders.Hey I,ve got 1 in my garage some were.😵

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 14 Jul 2006, 2:08 am

#511070

I know thats what I'll be doing.... But this engine that I'm building now will need more oilcooling.... Its a EFI Turbo/intercooled engine..... It'll need all the help it can get!

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malcolm Insano Dub Head

812 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 14 Jul 2006, 2:14 am

#511074

ecu go with Altronic,s best boost control dry sump plenty of oil remove as much alloy from the head so heat wont st in it and finally cryogenically treat the engine parts type 4 turbocharged in hilman imp 350hp.

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 14 Jul 2006, 2:25 am

#511081

LOL.... I thought you said "type 4 turbocharged in hilman imp 350hp"......

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karmen Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,648 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 15 Jul 2006, 11:46 am

#511565

just in case

i have one of those early Golf alternators (ks unknown)
also a Golf extra oil cooler about afoot square
pics if u want.
also a rx7 mazda oilcooler which came of a 1835 tp worked engine as an auxilliary.boses and clamps incl.
open to offers on the lot or part if any good.
cheers
aussiepost is quite good with bulk items
i just bag them in padding and are usually halfprice to fancy boxes etc

Karmen
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62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 15 Jul 2006, 12:26 pm

#511575

pics please......

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 15 Jul 2006, 1:04 pm

#511589

VWCOOL wrote:
62ragtop wrote:definitely cannot use the original oil cooler, you will need an external oil cooler for sharp type 1 conversion.
That's about three people that have said that.. wrong!!!

As the pic above shows, Sharp's 911-to-T4 conversion keeps the stock cooler in the stock location!

Um no the 3 people are RIGHT, you can not use the oil cooler in its original position on the T1 conversion.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 15 Jul 2006, 3:09 pm

#511622

err, yes, but my question - sorry to jump in on the thread - was for T4 donk/911 fan and whether the cooler could stay in stock location

So,
T1/911 fan - must mount/use external cooler/lines
T4/911 fan - cooler stays in T4 stock location
T4/T1 upright fan - cooler/lines to relocate to T1 location

Is that right?

I thought/assumed Penrose's engine was a T4; that may have confused things a bit

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humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 15 Jul 2006, 3:25 pm

#511628

Sounds about right to me..... Though I think with some of the other brand TIV/911 conversions you have the option of oilcooler fitment.... Not sure about the Sharpbuilt jobbie....

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shiftyvw Wolfsburg Wizard

523 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 15 Jul 2006, 3:41 pm

#511632

there is a 911 fan shroud conversion for type 1 motors that keeps the oil cooler mounted in the shroud, laying flat over the engine case. Dont know who the manufacturer is but i can ask the owner if he knows. It definatly exists though!!

testing 1 2 3...

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 15 Jul 2006, 5:36 pm

#511667

Yeah we have talked about that.... Bernie Bergman does it I think... At least I know he offers (optioned?) it on the TI/911 kit.... I think that VVDS use to offer something like that, which was Richard Holzl's (VForce) design I think.... Not sure if Boris still offers it and I don't know if Richard's kit still uses it either.... But I do wonder about how effective it would be in that local given that it is sitting directly over the crankcase....

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62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 16 Jul 2006, 4:47 pm

#511911

good point......anyone has a mesa 96 plate external oil cooler with fan for sale? Let me know....

berserkerbus Commited Dubber

50 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 16 Jul 2006, 10:11 pm

#512049

62 ragtop- There is a bloke Joe Cali, who has a very informative manual out about upright conversions. It has pictures and can be ordered online at web address. This method uses type 1- Beetle parts with minor modifications.

http://www.nextgen-usa.com/

BBus

62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 17 Jul 2006, 2:00 am

#512122

berserkerbus, thanks for the info but i cannot find anything about type 1 conversion to porsche style fan.
I think i will buy sharpbuilt since is in Australia and i support oz!

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 17 Jul 2006, 2:06 am

#512123

Have you rung VForce? Richard has just made a batch of shrouds up?

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62ragtop Officially Full-On Dubber

269 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 19 Jul 2006, 7:35 pm

#513221

thanks mate, will ring them tomorrow....

malcolm Insano Dub Head

812 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 20 Jul 2006, 1:02 am

#513353

john I got a price on fan & shroud give us a call.

humpty Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,336 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 20 Jul 2006, 1:57 am

#513368

Picked up my VForce shroud from Postman Pat today.... Its basic and not entirely complete, but for the bux Im not complaining.... I still need to sort a few minor things to bring it up to scratch.... Just minor finishing really, which is appropriate given the possible engine combo's it needs to fit..... I do plan to modify it further though, as the design does not consider the perimeter engine bay seals.

The DVD of Deiter doing his thing at Wakefield is pretty cool though!

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55ovl Learner Dubber

1 post · joined Jul 2006 · 20 Jul 2006, 1:33 pm

#513462

hello just a test