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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#513254
Hears the problem, my 1600 has a real bad flat spot under acceleration, as it's in a buggy, and I didn't build it, there may be things done that I don't know about. I am thinking of fitting twin Kadrons (as advised by a mechanic who seems to have a good rep. with VW's). Not real interested in getting more top speed, but a bit of extra go off the mark wouldn't hurt, as I am a real novice with this sorta thing what do yooz reckon?
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vwrallycar Insano Dub Head

721 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#513264
go the kadrons, they are awesome, you will love them!!

56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#513412
I wouldn't spend $700-odd on fitting twin carbs without first finding out what's causing the flat spot.

What carby and dizzy are on the motor ATM?

When was the timing and tune-up last done?

Find out the problem before trying to fix it.

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Midlife crisis Nartispuddlejumper, Bureau of Toxicity

2,282 posts · joined May 2003 ·

#513419
Ok what I am about to say is what happened to me and how I fixed the flat spot in 1600tp with a 009 IMHO.
Which is a BAJA which I use on the beach ,off road and at 4WD parks so it is used quite hard times off road.

After checking and adjusting the timing, points , plugs, setting the air flow and the mixture screws the flat spot was still there the only thing I had not played with was the throttle pump on the carbie so I checked it and it was set up about 1/3 of the way.
This was how it was set up when I got the carbie and before I put a kit throught it.I just set it back to where it was before I started the rebuild .

So little bit by little bit I adjusted it leaner and test drive for 1 day and slowly the flat spot got less and less until now with no flat spot and it gets of the mark real good and when I put my foot down to get a more on in traffic it picks up very good.

I hope this helps

Marc

[ Edited on 20-7-06 by Midlife crisis ]
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#513428
vwrallycar wrote:go the kadrons, they are awesome, you will love them!!
BUT no good for off-road work (in BUggy) due to fuel bowl sloshing etc

and yeah, fix the problem first

[ Edited on 20-7-2006 by VWCOOL ]
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#513471
Fine in a buggy.


VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#513473
uh huh.. try idling on a steep driveway
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#513554
Craig Torrens wrote:Fine in a buggy.
Try driving up really rough hills.That was the reason i went EFI on my 1916...offroad rough stuff was crap with Kadrons&Webbers and any other carb.
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#513580
Weeell, thanks heaps blokes, looks like I may have to look a bit harder, BTW, my buggy is not an off roader, built for show but thats how I like it.
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#513592
donn wrote:Weeell, thanks heaps blokes, looks like I may have to look a bit harder, BTW, my buggy is not an off roader, built for show but thats how I like it.
Then get the Kads.It will still "GO" as well!!! Got any pictures of yer buggy??:thumb
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#513603
donn wrote:Weeell, thanks heaps blokes, looks like I may have to look a bit harder, BTW, my buggy is not an off roader, built for show but thats how I like it.
If it's on-road, go for Kads. No problem. Great carbs
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kombibob AKA: Volkswagen Type 2 Transporter Van Robert

1,698 posts · joined May 2004 ·

#513608
yep go the kads :thumb
i have them on my split they are great and you don't have to tune them all the time unlike most other twin setups.
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#513617
yeah, got pics but bugered if I can work out how to put em here, any advice? It's not just mechanicals that stump me!
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pod i`ve got to finish this thing one day

4,980 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#513623
try using photobucket to host your pics,join up then upload pics to photobucket then use the img tag line then copy and paste to here:thumb
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#513625
donn wrote:yeah, got pics but bugered if I can work out how to put em here, any advice? It's not just mechanicals that stump me!
Email them to me at mjhutchinson@netspace.net.au and i'll reduce the size and post them if you want. When you hit the "post reply" button,below the reply box where you type your message is an attachment box with a browse button.If you click the browse button it opens a window in your computer and you search for the picture you want and double click on it.Then hit the "post reply" button and you're in!! Pictures are supposed to be less than 50 kb or lately I've heard 100kb to be able to post them.HTH.If you do a search for picture posting there should be heaps of info.

[ Edited on 20-7-06 by Mick H ]
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Special Air Service Chief "Gunna"

1,769 posts · joined Oct 2004 ·

#513633
Midlife crisis wrote:Ok what I am about to say is what happened to me and how I fixed the flat spot in 1600tp with a 009 IMHO.
Which is a BAJA which I use on the beach ,off road and at 4WD parks so it is used quite hard times off road.

After checking and adjusting the timing, points , plugs, setting the air flow and the mixture screws the flat spot was still there the only thing I had not played with was the throttle pump on the carbie so I checked it and it was set up about 1/3 of the way.
This was how it was set up when I got the carbie and before I put a kit throught it.I just set it back to where it was before I started the rebuild .

So little bit by little bit I adjusted it leaner and test drive for 1 day and slowly the flat spot got less and less until now with no flat spot and it gets of the mark real good and when I put my foot down to get a more on in traffic it picks up very good.

I hope this helps

Marc

[ Edited on 20-7-06 by Midlife crisis ]
So what your saying is you reduced the amount of fuel that was being sprayed by the pump? Can the fuel pump temorarily flood the engine ?
Or have I totally missunderstood what your saying?

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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#513667
[ Edited on 20-7-06 by Midlife crisis ] [/quote]
Can the fuel pump temorarily flood the engine ?

Cheers
Brendan [/quote]

yep
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#513744
OK, dumb question number one brazilian, if I get the original single carb tuned correctly (its sitting on a shortened inlet to get it in under the body) or if I fit the twin kads, what will be the improvement one over the other?
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Midlife crisis Nartispuddlejumper, Bureau of Toxicity

2,282 posts · joined May 2003 ·

#513746
yep that's it.

I should have said that. :-)

Marc
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56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#513780
Donn,

If the carb you have at the moment is not the problem, changing to another carb(s) won't fix the problem.

In saying that, there is an inherant problem with a single carb and the 009 dizzy that results in flat spots. Is that what you have, or some other sort of dizzy or carb?

Simply putting on twin Kads won't necessarily fix whatever is causing the problem.

Look on http://www.aircooled.net/ for an article on the flat spot.

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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#513993
Ok fellas, thanks for the info, now to try the picture thingo as per Mick's instructions
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#514007
pics
well that didn werk here it comes Mick

[ Edited on 21-7-2006 by donn ]
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#514045
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[ Edited on 21-7-06 by Mick H ]

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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#514047
Told you it was easy.....i reduced the size to get them under 50Kb and all is good. Nice buggy.Ya dawgs got spots onnit:o😵‍💫
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#514113
SPOTS!! what the...............musta hapened somewhere tween here and there, praps its a virus
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56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#514117
Nice buggy
:thumb

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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#514398
56astro, how do I determine what sort of distributor I have? all I can see is that it has a sort of transparent red cap.
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